|
Author
|
Topic: I Know That God Does Not Exist
|
Phat
Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
|
|
Message 2956 of 3207 (896501)
08-11-2022 12:36 PM
|
Reply to: Message 2954 by ringo
08-11-2022 12:22 PM
|
|
Bridge Over Troubled Waters
ringo writes: You can believe until the cows come home that you can jump the river like them Duke boys. But you have to discard that belief if you want to survive. Perhaps that is why you don't feel that you have to "give it all up". Survival is more important than God. I, on the other hand, am changing my argument. I now agree with you that in order to be honest about my belief, I *DO* in fact have to give it all up. One thing you said that prompted me to rethink my position is that comment about how little children don't worry about their retirement. That and the fact that my blood sugars arre more stable. I found myself ranting illogically more often when my sugars were too high. So science did save me after all!  As far as your bridge analogy, it is not our only choice. It is simply the most convenient choice. When you simply stopped looking, you realized that the bridge of logic was safer and more convenient than trusting that you could either swim or walk on water.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 2954 by ringo, posted 08-11-2022 12:22 PM | | ringo has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 2959 by ringo, posted 08-11-2022 12:45 PM | | Phat has replied |
|
Phat
Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
|
|
|
Message 2961 of 3207 (896509)
08-11-2022 1:45 PM
|
Reply to: Message 2959 by ringo
08-11-2022 12:45 PM
|
|
Re: Bridge Over Troubled Waters
There are a lot of religious beliefs that I don't feel I have to follow. Can't you figure out why? For one thing you have far too many of them on the list. I can think of Jesus in light of the bridge analogy. He is the only way to the Father. But then you go and throw Mecca on the list. Different bridge, different town. Canadians can walk on water. They lace up their skates and wait for it to freeze.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 2959 by ringo, posted 08-11-2022 12:45 PM | | ringo has replied |
|
Phat
Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
|
|
|
Message 2967 of 3207 (896520)
08-12-2022 2:26 PM
|
Reply to: Message 2965 by ringo
08-12-2022 11:51 AM
|
|
Re: Bridge Over Troubled Waters
ringo writes: So Jesus isn't "the only way" after all. I don't follow. In the Gospel Of John, the text says that through Him all things were created. Including water and ice, caused by lack of heat from the Sun that the Son also created.
Don't evade the question. Why do you think I don't feel obligated to make a pilgrimage to Mecca? Answer the question. You first concluded that humans had many gods. You next concluded that you didn't need to follow ANY of them, including Jesus. And yet...
Same river. Same way of getting across.
I know you dont like me talking about the antichrist, but let me tell you liberals something. Some day, some leader is going to say the things you all want to hear. About how the government need to take away all of the guns and all of the nukes. And about how humans are the only solution for humanity. And that everyone is special in their own way and that no culture or race should dominate others. This leader will profess no religion. This leader will likely be a loving humanist. And most of the people in the world will agree finally. The ones who oppose will be religious authoritarians from the conservative side...including Israel. And one day this leader will walk into that new Temple that will be built in Israel and will go in to the holy of holies and say that we humans are the only important character in future progress. It will sound beautiful...but watch what happens next.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 2965 by ringo, posted 08-12-2022 11:51 AM | | ringo has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 2979 by ringo, posted 08-12-2022 10:08 PM | | Phat has not replied |
|
Phat
Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
|
Re: Bridge Over Troubled Waters
Always a need to put people into groups and hierarchies with you. There is really only one hierarchy. 1) First God. 2) Then Humanity. Period. The problem in this world is that people either think they are number one or they eliminate the need for step one and go directly to step two, thinking there is truth in numbers.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 2966 by Theodoric, posted 08-12-2022 12:33 PM | | Theodoric has not replied |
|
Phat
Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
|
|
|
Message 2969 of 3207 (896522)
08-12-2022 2:41 PM
|
Reply to: Message 2964 by Percy
08-12-2022 11:27 AM
|
|
Re: The Man In The Book
Percy writes: Let's say it's just you. You're deciding what items to put a list of list of unevidenced things to consider. What are your criteria for inclusion on this list? Were it up to me personally to make the list without worrying about appeasing or pleasing the crowds, I would start and end my list with Jesus Christ. Were I to be attempting to gain consensus with a committee, however, I would expand my list to include: 1)Supernatural claims 2)All Deities In General (or claimed Deities) 3) All Folklore including Bigfeets, Elves, and the like. Perhaps even 4) Unevidenced ideological claims of humans from all political persuasions.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 2964 by Percy, posted 08-12-2022 11:27 AM | | Percy has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 2970 by Theodoric, posted 08-12-2022 5:24 PM | | Phat has seen this message but not replied | | | Message 2971 by Percy, posted 08-12-2022 5:35 PM | | Phat has not replied |
|
Phat
Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
|
|
|
Message 2992 of 3207 (896564)
08-13-2022 12:41 PM
|
Reply to: Message 2991 by dwise1
08-13-2022 2:33 AM
|
|
Pot Meet Kettle?
I know this was directed at Dredge but im curious what its about.  Add By Edit: Wow! Quite a taunting little video...does even Dredge deserve it? Also, I hope no one also thinks of me in this context.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 2991 by dwise1, posted 08-13-2022 2:33 AM | | dwise1 has replied |
|
Phat
Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
|
Parameters By Definition
I had to look that up too. This is what I got:
quote
A parameter, generally, is any characteristic that can help in defining or classifying a particular system. That is, a parameter is an element of a system that is useful, or critical, when identifying the system, or when evaluating its performance, status, condition, etc. Wikipedia
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
|
Phat
Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
|
|
|
Message 3007 of 3207 (896580)
08-13-2022 3:31 PM
|
Reply to: Message 3006 by Dredge
08-13-2022 3:03 PM
|
|
Parameters By Definition
Evidently, it does. When you had your confirmation on the road to becoming a "good" Catholic, did you compile evidence before allowing yourself to believe? Some folks would do exactly that. For them, evidence is not only the most rational standard protocol, it is the only protocol that they follow. Is this a bad thing?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 3006 by Dredge, posted 08-13-2022 3:03 PM | | Dredge has replied |
|
Phat
Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
|
|
|
Message 3016 of 3207 (896589)
08-14-2022 9:43 AM
|
Reply to: Message 2981 by ringo
08-12-2022 10:15 PM
|
|
In The Beginning,Evidence?
ringo, responding to Dredge writes: Whether he "needs" it or not, the evidence is there. Whether he sees it or not, the evidence is there. I dunno about this rabbit trail. Are you extrapolating that Evidence would "exist" even without humans? (Or Monkeys) Based on that logic, we could say "In The Beginning, Evidence. I remember one time when you thought it plausible that "In The Beginning, Chemicals."
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 2981 by ringo, posted 08-12-2022 10:15 PM | | ringo has replied |
|
Phat
Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
|
|
|
Message 3022 of 3207 (896596)
08-14-2022 4:02 PM
|
Reply to: Message 3021 by Dredge
08-14-2022 3:34 PM
|
|
Re: Parameters By Definition
A genuine believer rather than one who simply goes through the motions and listens to the traditions because their parents did. One who goes to Mass to commune with God directly.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 3021 by Dredge, posted 08-14-2022 3:34 PM | | Dredge has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 3023 by Dredge, posted 08-14-2022 4:46 PM | | Phat has seen this message but not replied |
|
Phat
Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
|
|
|
Message 3035 of 3207 (896631)
08-15-2022 5:07 PM
|
Reply to: Message 3033 by ringo
08-15-2022 12:03 PM
|
|
Re: Parameters By Definition
Believers dont need evidence. They merely need inner confirmation. Perhaps this is why so few of you understand us. You have allowed the concept of evidence to override or block any inner functions of confirmation. Now to be fair, im not going to get into an intellectual definition match with you on the meanings of words. You will tie me up every time. Im simply answering your question of how believers may have skipped the scientific method in their respective born-again experiences. It may also explain why so few critical thinkers ever get saved. Put another way, believers avoid the scientific method of falsification. It smacks of double-mindedness and doubt. Salvation is not some logical experiment. And don't go explaining to me again how you once were saved. If you defend any claim that you were, you couldn't reverse being saved unless you are in denial due to the science of word definitions.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 3033 by ringo, posted 08-15-2022 12:03 PM | | ringo has replied |
|
Phat
Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
|
|
|
Message 3042 of 3207 (896650)
08-16-2022 9:43 AM
|
Reply to: Message 3036 by Percy
08-15-2022 5:35 PM
|
|
The Culture Wars Are Just Getting Warmed Up
Percy writes: Do you perhaps mean born again? Yes. Same basic thing. Now to be fair, I believe that being "born again" is not simply a onetime experience. Daily Behavior and introspection are expected from a Christian. Yesterday, I attended a 12 step group at 5280 Ministries, a homeless ministry. It was my first time there, and I went with a friend who goes there often. We all bonded and became closer as believers. (and fellow humans) I was amazed how many homeless people there are. I also read an interesting article after the meeting in Decision Magazine.
Five Signs Your Church Might Be Heading Toward Progressive Christianity What are the five signs, you may ask?
1. There is a lowered view of the Bible One of the main differences between progressive Christianity and historic Christianity is its view of the Bible. Historically, Christians have viewed the Bible as the Word of God and authoritative for our lives. Progressive Christianity generally abandons these terms, emphasizing personal belief over Biblical mandate. Comments you might hear: (which I hear a lot around this place) “The Bible is a human book.” “I disagree with the Apostle Paul on that issue.” “The Bible condones immorality, so we are obligated to reject what it says in certain places.” (This gets better!  )
2. Feelings over facts quote
In progressive churches, personal experiences, feelings and opinions tend to be valued above objective truth. As the Bible ceases to be viewed as God’s definitive Word, what a person feels to be true becomes the ultimate authority for faith and practice.
3. Essential Christian doctrines are open for reinterpretation Comments you might hear: “The resurrection of Jesus doesn’t have to be factual to speak truth.”(I've discussed that one with jar!) Of course we disagree. “The church’s historic position on sexuality is archaic and needs to be updated within a modern framework.”(Actually I agree with this one to a point.) “The idea of a literal hell is offensive to non-Christians and needs to be reinterpreted.”...*cough* Tangle! *cough*
4. Historic terms redefined Some comments reflecting this assertion: “God wouldn’t punish sinners—He is love.” “Sure, the Bible is authoritative—but we’ve misunderstood it for the first 2,000 years of church history.” “It’s not our job to talk to anyone about sin—it’s our job to just love them.” and finally!
5. The heart of the Gospel message shifts from sin and redemption to social
justice
Comments:
“Sin doesn’t separate us from God—we are made in His image, and He called us good.” “God didn’t actually require a sacrifice for our sins—the first Christians picked up on the pagan practice of animal sacrifice and told the Jesus story in similar terms.” “We don’t really need to preach the Gospel—we just need to show love by bringing justice to the oppressed.” The author concludes with this statement:
The signs are not always obvious—sometimes they are subtle and mixed with a lot of truth. Progressive Christianity can be persuasive and enticing, but carried out to its logical end, it is an assault on the foundational framework of Christianity. We shouldn’t be surprised to find some of these ideas infiltrating our churches. Jesus warned us, “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves” (Matthew 7:15). So if you spot any of these five danger signs in your place of worship, it might be time to pray about finding fellowship in a more Biblically faithful church community. ©2017 Alisa Childers jar is a progressive as is EvC in general. My own family is likely progressive. I guess im just an old stick-in-the-mud.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 3036 by Percy, posted 08-15-2022 5:35 PM | | Percy has replied |
| Replies to this message: | | | Message 3043 by Percy, posted 08-16-2022 11:03 AM | | Phat has not replied | | | Message 3047 by ringo, posted 08-16-2022 12:48 PM | | Phat has seen this message but not replied |
|
Phat
Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
|
|
|
Message 3048 of 3207 (896663)
08-16-2022 1:35 PM
|
Reply to: Message 3046 by ringo
08-16-2022 12:41 PM
|
|
Soul Man
Then I tell them I don't have a soul.
I was taught that the "soul" is the mind, will, and emotions. Mind=What I think Will=What I want Emotions-What I feel. The soul separates humans from other animals. They simply have instinct.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 3046 by ringo, posted 08-16-2022 12:41 PM | | ringo has replied |
|
Phat
Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
|
Omnichron?
I was taught that God is Omnipotent-All powerful, Creator, of all seen and unseen stc..
Omniscient- All-knowing, capable of relating to all humans simultaneously, perhaps...knowing the end from the beginning sort of thing. And Omnipresent- Present everywhere simultaneously.Present in all places at the same time; ubiquitous.Being everywhere simultaneously Where this omnibenevolent thing came from I have no clue. Perhaps that what Stephen Frye was ranting about. Humans have enough of an ego that they attempt to define what God *should* do and be in order to qualify for the position. As if we had any say! Edited by Phat, : added sentence
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
|
Phat
Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: 12-30-2003 Member Rating: 1.0
|
|
|
Message 3056 of 3207 (896674)
08-16-2022 6:30 PM
|
Reply to: Message 3050 by ringo
08-16-2022 1:56 PM
|
|
Re: Soul Man
Animals have all of that. No, no they don't. Animals have no awareness of who I is, (am) who we are, or who they are that makes them unique from the rest of their species.
quote:
There are a number of things that make us human and separate us from animals. One is our ability to self-analyze and engage in mental time travel. We can also imagine different scenarios and reason abstractly. Additionally, we have established cultures with rules and moral codes. Finally, our brain functions allow us to learn rapidly and make decisions based on more than just survival instincts
Edited by Phat, : added quote
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).
| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 3050 by ringo, posted 08-16-2022 1:56 PM | | ringo has replied |
|
™ Version 4.2