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dwise1
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Message 5371 of 5796 (873362)
03-15-2020 5:18 AM
Reply to: Message 5368 by Faith
03-15-2020 5:01 AM


Re: Trump Refuses Responsibility for Extant Policies
Oh dear oh dear, he gets SO enraged. Do you take something for your blood pressure?
You are making assertions you know nothing about. You don't know if the protocols would have been effective for the current pandemic or not, you merely assume they woulda been. Trump says they weren't, that new policies were needed and that's what he was announcing at the press conference.
I'm not sure calling me vile names by initials is an acceptable method of getting around the rules.
Oh wow! All kinds of meaningless fluff which all turns out to be ... meaningless. Why are we not in the least impressed?
I raised some questions, none of which you even bothered to address. Not even interesting since your non-response was expected:
DWise1 writes:
The CDC has worked out protocols for dealing with pandemics. If any protocol had been proposed which would not have been effective, then it would have been eliminated early on.
In doing that, their primary concern was how effective those protocols would be in addressing the problem.
So then, you FLC, SHOW US that the CDC had rejected proactive measures for monitoring for pandemics and for responding to a potential pandemic.
Furthremore, SHOW US that such a determination had NOT been made by a POLITICAL TRUMP APPOINTEE.
You have absolutely done nothing whatsover to address my questions.
You have yourself revealed yourself to be a FLC.
 
BTW, yes, I do take medication for hypertension. I am 68 years old, after all. But you are too meaningless to add to that.
Edited by dwise1, : Hypertension

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Message 5372 of 5796 (873363)
03-15-2020 5:22 AM
Reply to: Message 5370 by dwise1
03-15-2020 5:09 AM


Re: Red baiting
Your views are just the usual Leftist crap, dwise. You take specific instances of opposition to certain results of science which you accept but others reject as FALSE, and call it an opposition to Science as Such. How can I take you seriously? I can't. It's just the typical politicized objection to positions on the Right. It's the same old crap I as a creationist have to deal with. No I do not reject Science, I reject certain positions that are considered to be scientific but aren't.
So how do we "science the shit out of the coronavirus"? The basic answer is that this is indeed a question for science to answer.
But a fundamental position of the Trump Administration has been a war against science. So now they need science to pull their cookies out of the fire.
My prediction is that as soon as science pulls the GOP's cookies out of the fire, they will go right back to trying to kill science.
You've lost me completely, I have NO idea what any of this means.
Trump assembled an impressive collection of people in a position to deal with different aspects of the problem, for instance three major pharmaceutical Labs that are certainly going to pursue the science of dealing with the virus, why would you suggest otherwise? Their whole business depends on dealing effectively with such problems. And there are three of them competing for the solution. Sounds to me like a very effective way of approaching the SCIENCE aspects of the problem.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 5373 of 5796 (873364)
03-15-2020 5:23 AM
Reply to: Message 5371 by dwise1
03-15-2020 5:18 AM


Re: Trump Refuses Responsibility for Extant Policies
Since all you've given is assertions, I can give you assertions in response.

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dwise1
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Message 5374 of 5796 (873366)
03-15-2020 5:51 AM
Reply to: Message 5372 by Faith
03-15-2020 5:22 AM


Re: Red baiting
Your views are just the usual Leftist crap, dwise. You take specific instances of opposition to certain results of science which you accept but others reject as FALSE, and call it an opposion to Science as Such. How can I take you seriously? I can't. It's just the typical politicized objection to positions on the Right. It's the same old crap I as a creationist have to deal with. No I do not reject Science, I reject certain positions that are considered to be scientific but aren't.
Uh, WHAT THE FUCK?????????
Here quite literally is what I had actually said (Message 5370):
DWise1 writes:
OK, this also borders on the on-going right-wing War Against Science.
Did you watch the movie, "The Martian"? Faced with trying to survive on Mars and everything else, the meme that emerged was "Sciencing the shit of this". And indeed (by my understanding), the author of the original story was a programmer who wrote computer simulations to work out what would have worked and what wouldn't.
So how do we "science the shit out of the coronavirus"? The basic answer is that this is indeed a question for science to answer.
But a fundamental position of the Trump Administration has been a war against science. So now they need science to pull their cookies out of the fire.
My prediction is that as soon as science pulls the GOP's cookies out of the fire, they will go right back to trying to kill science.
So then just what the FUCK are you fake-complaining about?
It's the same old crap I as a creationist have to deal with.
So much of what creationists come up with is such pure crap, could you please present to us what you think your best claims are? Seriously.

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dwise1
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Message 5375 of 5796 (873367)
03-15-2020 5:53 AM
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03-15-2020 5:23 AM


Re: Trump Refuses Responsibility for Extant Policies
So then all you have are empty assertions. Point taken.
So fuck off already!

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Message 5376 of 5796 (873368)
03-15-2020 5:57 AM
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03-15-2020 5:51 AM


Re: Red baiting
There is nothing anti-science about the Trump administration or anyone on the Right.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 5377 of 5796 (873369)
03-15-2020 5:58 AM
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03-15-2020 5:53 AM


Re: Trump Refuses Responsibility for Extant Policies
As I said, you are giving nothing but assertions, so you can issue your command to yourself.

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Message 5378 of 5796 (873370)
03-15-2020 5:59 AM
Reply to: Message 5374 by dwise1
03-15-2020 5:51 AM


Re: Red baiting
This is not the thread for a creationist discussion.

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dwise1
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Message 5379 of 5796 (873372)
03-15-2020 6:25 AM
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03-15-2020 5:59 AM


Re: Red baiting
This is not the thread for a creationist discussion.
So then why did you introduce it, you fucking hypocrite?
Message 5372
Faith writes:
It's the same old crap I as a creationist have to deal with.
My own reply in Message 5374 was:
DWise1 writes:
So much of what creationists come up with is such pure crap, could you please present to us what you think your best claims are? Seriously.
And what you have presented that was not pure crap has been ... absolutely nothing whatsoever.
Wow!

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dwise1
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Message 5380 of 5796 (873373)
03-15-2020 6:31 AM
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03-15-2020 5:57 AM


Re: Red baiting
There is nothing anti-science about the Trump administration or anyone on the Right.

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Percy
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Message 5381 of 5796 (873376)
03-15-2020 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 5349 by Faith
03-14-2020 10:07 AM


Re: Red baiting
Faith writes:
Percy writes:
Funny, Bernie never said that.
But Bernie DID say that:
But Bernie did not say that. He did not say, "Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried," and your quote proves he didn't say that, and didn't even say words to that effect. Here's your quote:
National Review writes:
What happened and existed in the Soviet Union was not socialism. It was authoritarian Communism, Bernie replied, inducing a bunch of his historically illiterate fans to applaud.
And Communism, Bernie goes on, whether in Cuba, whether in the Soviet Union or whether in other countries was marked by totalitarianism, was marked by throwing millions of people into the Gulag.
This is simple English. Bernie said that where communism has been tried it has been dominated by totalitarianism that rendered mute any socialistic aspects. A country that comes much closer to the kind of socialistic approaches Bernie favors is Denmark.
Denmark strenuously objects to being called socialist, and they are right to object because Bernie plays fast and loose with the socialist label. He calls himself a democratic socialist as if that is meaningfully different from plain old socialism. Democratic socialism still advocates state ownership of business and industry, and that's what Bernie ultimately wants. He's dishonest in that he labels programs he favors as democratic socialism, such as universal healthcare and free higher education. It is true that they would be aspects of any democratic socialist government, but democratic socialism goes way beyond that, a fact Bernie tries to obscure.
Bernie is a snake oil salesman, just like Trump. The difference between you and the National Review on the one hand and people like me on the other is that you (plural) are trying to smear Bernie with the most negative label you can think of and truth and accuracy be damned, while we are merely trying to be factual about who Bernie really is. Bernie isn't a communist, but he is a socialist, and that's bad enough.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Grammar.

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Percy
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Message 5382 of 5796 (873378)
03-15-2020 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 5351 by Faith
03-14-2020 10:16 AM


Re: Red baiting
Faith writes:
I don't know if I'm a McCarthyite or not. Don't know enough about the investigations he did.
Gee, if only there were a resource at everyone's fingertips that could provide information about anything. Ah, well, you can lead a horse to water...
There are probably elements of it I would disagree with. But as for the basic idea that Communism is UnAmerican yes I certainly agree with that.
McCarthyism means weaponizing derogatory labels without regard to their truth, accuracy or consequences, and in your case you're even using the same derogatory label of communism that McCarthy used. He once produced a list from his pocket (that no one was given the opportunity to examine) that he claimed contained a long list of State Department employees who were communists known to the Department itself. It eventually became apparent that McCarthy had no such list, no private conduit into government of where all the communists were hiding, and that he was just playing a political game with people's lives. Most who lost their jobs and livelihoods (remember blacklisting?) as a result of McCarthy's lies were not members of the Communist Party.
You are without doubt a McCarthyite. Look it up, it isn't that hard. You should read Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds sometime. It explains Trump followers and why people are buying up all the toilet paper.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Grammar.

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Percy
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Message 5383 of 5796 (873379)
03-15-2020 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 5353 by Faith
03-14-2020 10:39 AM


Re: Red baiting
Faith writes:
Snopes is well known as Leftist. Sometimes they have good stuff, sometimes not.
My my, aren't we the little McCarthyite. You're using the term leftist as a synonym for unobjectively biased against the right, and as a smear, and as an excuse for automatically ignoring information and evidence without examining it. With you, truth and accuracy are nowhere in sight.
I go with my sources in a pinch.
You're not in a pinch, and you haven't revealed anything about your sources, which are probably the same discredited right-wing pundits you always cite.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Clarify.

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Message 5384 of 5796 (873388)
03-15-2020 11:37 AM
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03-15-2020 8:45 AM


Re: Red baiting
I really have a problem remembering some things, besides having a problem reading lengthy white pages of information, which is I hope more of an explanation than an excuse. What I'm not remembering at the moment so I can't look it up is some information that came out from Russia a few decades after McCarthy that validated a lot of what he was identifying as Communism. Hm., I'll go look it up with what little I'm able to remember.

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Faith 
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Message 5385 of 5796 (873389)
03-15-2020 11:38 AM
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03-15-2020 8:51 AM


Re: Red baiting
I know you don't like the word Leftist but I believe I use it accurately. It certainly applies to many things you say as well as others here at EvC.

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