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Tangle
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Message 169 of 591 (708134)
10-05-2013 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by Thugpreacha
10-05-2013 8:42 AM


Re: A Matter Of Speculation and Discernment
Phat writes:

Logic and Reason are often enemies of faith.

Well you've nailed that one. Makes you wonder why the good Lord gave us those abilities don't it?


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Message 176 of 591 (708189)
10-06-2013 4:47 PM
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10-06-2013 4:17 PM


Re: A Matter Of Speculation and Discernment
yenmor writes:

The argument that why would the good lord give us logic and reason if he didn't want us to apply them is kinda faulty argument.

And the argument that the the Lord gave us logic and reason inorder NOT to not apply them them is not faulty???

In short, the good lord sure gave us the ability to put millions of people in ovens and exterminate entire races. But I don't think anyone would argue that just because the good lord gave us that ability doesn't mean he wants us to use it.

Well that's not exactly the same argument is it? THAT argument is about why the good Lord put suffering in the world that he created.


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Message 190 of 591 (713325)
12-12-2013 3:06 AM
Reply to: Message 189 by OmniRedVT
12-11-2013 9:31 PM


Re: Christ and satan and the discussion of their debated reality.
If you want anyone to read that, i suggest you introduce some paragraphs, linebreaks and spaces after full stops. As it stands it's unreadable and unread.

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Message 193 of 591 (713342)
12-12-2013 9:49 AM


Weird how so many nut jobs post like that - must be some brain defect.

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Message 369 of 591 (726997)
05-14-2014 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 348 by Blue
05-13-2014 3:14 PM


Re: Satan
Blue writes:

The GOD of atheism is nature.

That would be Pantheism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism

Beats me why believers have such difficulty believing that atheists just don't believe.


Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.

Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 380 of 591 (727115)
05-15-2014 2:07 PM
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05-15-2014 12:30 PM


Re: Satan
quote:
I do think your comment is interesting regarding atheists not believing. Science does not merely support atheism. Science says nothing about if God exists.

Science says nothing about God OR atheism.

quote:
Theists and atheists draw from science equally.

No they don't, creationists like Faith make up their own sciency sounding language.

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If you don't agree you have a closed mind and thus DO believe.

That's just bizarr.

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You even believe as far as to think morality is ultimately decided by man.

Ignoring the grammatical problems with that sentence, morality IS decided by man.

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You do believe in nature.

What an odd thing to say; I don't have to believe in nature, I can see and touch it.


Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.

Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 393 of 591 (727131)
05-15-2014 3:27 PM
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05-15-2014 2:44 PM


Re: Satan
quote:
Actually creationist accept modern science including evolution,

You need to have a word or two with a YEC, they deny evolution, geology and great chunks of physics - to name but three of our very best sciences.

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Typically discussions don't follow exact grammatical law. Further didn't you learn in college that you can BREAK grammatical law as long as you KNOW grammatical law?

I'm sure that by now you'll have re-read your sentence and realised what a mess you made of it and how it renders what you were trying to say incomprehensible so I won't rub your nose it it by quoting it again.

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I am guessing you never went to college.
You seem determined to be wrong about everything....

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ALSO there is no fact that man should decide what is moral.
Well that's another oddly constructed sentence so it's hard to guess at its meaning but it is a fact that man does decide what is moral. If only for the simple reason that there is no-one else here to do it.

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FYI: I don't give a fuck if I am using correct grammatical rules on this forum. IF you get the point great if you do not get the point, then argue the point.

Yes well, the point I'm making is that your fucked up sentences are making it difficult to understand your meaning, so it's best to read what you've written before - or even after - pressing 'submit'. Then you wouldn't have to pretend poetic licence.


Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.

Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 394 of 591 (727137)
05-15-2014 3:43 PM
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05-15-2014 2:47 PM


Re: Satan
Blue writes:

Nature has no proof in that it created itself.

I'm not sure what to do with that, other than to say that I don't believe anyone has asked nature to present its proof; it would seem a rather strange thing to do.

When I say YOU believe in nature that is meant as YOU believe that NATURE produced itself. Especially if we have in mind the full discussion. Duh.

And again no. I don't believe nature produced itself. I don't even know what you mean by nature. Is a rock nature? In what way can a rock produce itself? Am I nature? I certainly didn't produce myself - I have a birth certifcate to prove it.

It may seem irritatingly obtuse of me to mess around like this, but language has meaning and if you're going to argue difficult concepts here, you're going to have to start being more precise.


Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.

Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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