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And you also havent explained how an informational picket would be extortion and put your cousin out of business before it he even starts his business.Fearmongering anecdotes. Nothing more.

The town has a lot of union workers living in it and if it got picketed then they probably wouldn't patronize him.Its like extortion because we either have to pay their higher price or face the threat of damaging the business.

And surgery is like murder because it involves stabbing people with knives.

Wow.Such clever.Much funny.

Do you have any data showing that there has been any significant movement of workers from full time to part time as a result of the ACA?The data I have seen shows just the opposite:"The report's most notable nugget is the change in part-time work. Over the last month the number of workers in part-time jobs for economic reasons--slack demand, cutbacks in hours--has remained stable. Over the last year, however, it has fallen by 681,000. Those part-timers also constitute a smaller share of all workers--5.5% in September compared to 6% a year earlier."
Tuesday's tepid brew of jobs data, delayed more than two weeks by the government shutdown, wasn't worth waiting for. Part time jobs are going down while full time jobs are increasing. I think you are swallowing Republican lies without questioning them.

Well technically that is what unions do protect the workers so they don't have to undersell their work, the only option they have is to picket your cousins buisnes, if he hires workers that do the job cheaper.This all goes back to the times when workers worked 16 hour days, and if the whole family worked including the children they would scrape enough together so they can eat and have a roof over their heads. Workers banned together and said we wont work for such measly wages and the fat cats had to eventually give in.You cousin buying cheap labour is a threat to the working man's wage.A story just came out today when an immigrant was working for a building company at the end of the weak after begging for his sallery his boss threw him 5 EURo like he would to a dog. how do you know the contractor you want to hire do sent do the same to his workers.

Still waiting. How does an informational picket destroy their business? Because it would make union people think twice about patronizing the business. You do know that is how a free market system works don't you?

No. I was talking about friends of mine whose employers are telling them that they are going to be cutting their hours when the law goes into effect in January. I see in a previous message that I didn't use the future tense properly, I didn't mean to say that their hours have already been cut. Let's look again in February. Nah, I'm not hearing this from Republicans. I really don't listen to mass media.I've just gotten these anecdotes from friends of mine in real life. These are people who do things like waiting tables and are already working less than full time. They're just being told that the owner is thinking about making them work at most 29 hours per week so they avoid the employer mandate.

Yea but think of what that will do to unemployment rates when so many new jobs are going to be opened so the employers can have the work they need done.

The mandate for employers does not go into effect until January 2015.White House To Delay Obamacare's Employer Mandate Until 2015; Far-Reaching Implications For The Private Health Insurance MarketThe national trend is that part time jobs are becoming less common while there is a rise in full time jobs.

More bullshit form someone because the law does not go into effect until Jan 1, 2015.The purpose of the law is shared responsibility. It is funny that the conservatives are all for personal responsibility until it is them that is expected to be responsible. People less than full time will probably be able to get as good a deal for insurance than what they could from an employer.This will shake out a lot of piss poor business people that believe that their employees are chattel. I am already seeing pushback on employers pulling crap like you are talking about. The employees are finding better employers and customers are voting with their dollars. An employer that acts in the manner you are describing is going to be destroyed by public opinion. Walmart is seeing some of that backlash now.ABE
Also, they have to have over 50 full time employees to even be affected.Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

I heard that when Obama care kicks anyone over the age 65 will be euthanized in death camps.I also heard that we will have to pay for illegal immigrants to come over here and have babies.I also heard that small business owner will be forced into forclosure.

Here in Sacramento, we have a grocery chain that doesn't hire union workers. Basically, their prices are a little lower, in part because they don't hire any baggers, the customers bag their own groceries.I don't know if it's still going on, but for a very long time there would be frequent picketers from the grocer's union on the sidewalk outside of the grocer's property at at least one of the locations. I saw it several times over several months (eventually I moved out of that area).The picket was small. Most union members had jobs - a picket like this isn't like a strike, where the workers at a business all leave their normal jobs to picket instead.I think your relative may be more concerned than he/she should be about a potential union picket. And don't forget - just as the freedom of speech allows the unions to picket him as a non-union-supporter, he also has the right to put someone outside his business, or place a sign on his own property, openly displaying the price differences between quotes from the union vs non-union shops. Potential customers may be less likely to care about the union's protestations when they can immediately see that their prices were so drastically higher.

But we don't know they were. He mentions a price from the people that are supplying the building and prices from "the union". No prices mentioned from a non-union shop at all. All CS is doing is trying to spread anti-union propaganda and he has provided no reasonable detail at all. That he thinks "the unions" priced the job speaks volumes. He makes it sound like multiple unions gave bids on the job. So did his cousin get a bid from the Steelworkers, one from the Teamsters and another from IBEW. Come on, the whole story is just a sad attempt to bash unions and the ACA.Anyone that buys a steel building and does not use a contractor certified by the manufacturer is asking for trouble.

Hello CS again. Just got home from work after another 13 hour day here. We managed to get a lot done. Today, I was on site of a construction project for a new police investigation facility. I told myself that by the end of the day I'd sign my name in the concrete where nobody would notice. But I managed to forget. I only remembered while driving home from work. Anyway, I guess I'll do it next time I'm out there again. I'm really trying to understand this from your perspective. But you're making it hard for me, considering every time you try to present "evidence" to support your dislike of Obama and Obamacare, you only managed to show your misunderstanding and, sometimes, downright ignorance of the new law.The employer mandate won't go into effect until 2015. Your example is a perfect example of the boogie man fairy tale I was talking about before. Employers of low skilled workers love to do this. They always try to find a boogie man to blame for what they want to do. Low skilled workers usually are not as well educated and so they will believe anything their employers tell them.In your particular case, the employer thought cutting down the hours of their employees will give the company the most benefits. But to keep the workers from making too much fuss about it, they blame it on Obamacare.Same with insurance companies cutting benefits and raising premiums. Several possibilities going on with this one here. Your cousin got misled. You got misled. Miscommunication between you and your cousin. Someone is pulling his leg. Someone is pulling your leg. Etc. And yet pretty much everything you said in this message (message 1078) is factually not accurate. Well, just the fact that you believed the nonsense about employers having to cut hours to conform with Obamacare is telling enough that you never really tried. Again, the employer mandate won't go into effect until 2015.My offer still stands. You try your best to defend Obamacare. I will try my best to argue against it. Deal?