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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.5
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AZPaul3 writes: The issue is not corporations. The issue is the right of the government to limit political speech. It don't exist. You are conflating political speech and political money. Earlier you noted that the Constitution does not distinguish between human citizens and corporate citizens; neither does it distinguish, explicitly, between human citizens and canine citizens. That's because canines, like corporations, cannot be citizens."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.5 |
NoNukes writes: Surely there are no limits on the number of voices or the volume of speech that is protected under the First Amendment. You get one vote, but you can speak all you want. They who have tongues to speak, let them speak."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.5 |
AZPaul3 writes: Good luck with that. It won't take long. The SCOTUS is now a mini-legislature with little respect for precedent. Reversal is just an appointment away."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.5 |
AZPaul3 writes: The SCOTUS is now a mini-legislature with little respect for precedent. Especially when that precedent conflicts with the constitution. The only constitution in conflict with the overturned precedents is the political constitution of the current SCOTUS. You champion the CU decision as though it were a crystal clear exemplar of the Constitution's absolute guarantee of free speech. But our speech is limited in many ways--including the ban on direct contributions to federal candidates and campaigns by unions and corporations left in place by the CU decision. You are, of course, free to believe that money is speech, and that corporations are citizens; and, yes, the SCOTUS has ruled it is so, and that is presently the law of the land. That fact is not in dispute, though asserting it repeatedly seems to be your primary interest here. When you respond to an assertion that money is not speech, or that legal constructs created for conducting business are not citizens, by citing SCOTUS decisions, it is difficult to take you seriously. The SCOTUS also decided that imposing clinic licensing requirements in the name of medical safety that both deny abortion access to millions of Texas women and have no demonstrable impact on their medical safety, imposes no undue burden on those women. You are free to believe that, too. I believe the conservative block on the SCOTUS is on a partisan crusade fueled by partisan loyalties and, ultimately, by religious doctrine. "If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.5 |
ringo writes: To recycle a joke from another thread, that's only because canines don't live to voting age. My greatly missed chocolate point Siamese cat, Noel Persephone, died a few years ago at the age of 23. If she could have voted, she'd have voted for Death--she was elegant and refined, but a killer. I'm neither elegant nor refined, but we understood each other perfectly. Dogs, dears though they are, lack the necessary rigor: if they could vote, they'd simply vote for dinner. The last thing we need is another party of biscuits and balls."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.5 |
AZPaul3 writes: Calm down, Omni. You do not know me, my interests or my philosophy. Do not go painting me with that conservative boogie-man brush. Calm I am and was. Could you tell me what portion of my post painted you with a "conservative boogie-man brush" or was in some way histrionic?
You do not like this court's rulings so you hate the court and any defense of it. Your caution against assumptions would have carried more weight if you had not immediately after leapt heroically to that one and the others about those here who disagree with you. I don't hate this court. It is my high esteem for the SCOTUS as an institution that fuels my dismay at some of the Roberts' court decisions. Nor do I hate any defense of this court--just yours, at the moment, because you have defended it with nothing but bare assertions, and now with a lecture you stooped to deliver. There are eloquent, closely reasoned critiques of this decision (and this court), both popular and scholarly. Your dismissal of those critiques as "emotional" merely patronizes all who disagree with you. You declared the contrast between Stevens' reasoning ("emotional chain") and Kennedy's ("clear...without kinks or detours") but did none of the work required to document your take. I understand--my posts on this topic haven't done that, either. That's a lot of work, and while I've read both opinions, I don't want to do that much work here. Just don't think that you've demonstrated anything other than an outline of your opinion and your disdain for mine. But trust me on one thing: I've read your posts, mostly with pleasure, for seven years. I never took you for a conservative boogie-man before, and I don't in this instance. Have a lovely holiday, AZPaul."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.5 |
ringo writes: Omnivorous writes: Dogs, dears though they are, lack the necessary rigor: if they could vote, they'd simply vote for dinner.The last thing we need is another party of biscuits and balls. I dunno. It might be an improvement. Upon reflection, I have to agree."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.5
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Dr Jones* writes: So I take it you're opposed to Ted Cruz running for president? And couldn't possibly have voted for John McCain."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.5
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nwr writes: Religious faith = complete gullibility. It is a total surrender of one's mind to the cult leader. After you divorce one belief from evidence, the sky's the limit. For example, you could believe the GOP politicians who have decided they are the populist champions who will reverse the Obama-caused wealth inequality in the U.S. I suppose his opposition to more tax breaks for the wealthy prevents higher incomes from trickling down to working people. An evidence-divorcee might not even smile when Ted Cruz compares himself to Galileo, and his opponents on climate change to flat-earthers who refuse to follow the evidence. According to him, there has been no warming for 17 years. Trust him: he says one of his parents was a scientist. Partly it's the big lie effect, but mostly this credulity reflects a large segment of the U.S. population that doesn't know what evidence is, doesn't care about it when they do know, and become even more hidebound in their beliefs when contravening evidence is presented. You have to hope to outnumber and outlast these folks. They won 't change. Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.5
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Faith writes: Gosh I wish I had some potato chips. Gosh I wish you had some sense. Rebutting the Kenya birth accusation matters because they accused Obama of lying about his birth--they, in their squirmy wormy racist hearts, are the ones that thought the lie would do him harm. The lie has been demonstrated by every nonpartisan examination: even most GOP leaders are too embarrassed by it to keep it alive. It hurt the GOP in 2012. Keep up the good work."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.5
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Faith writes: If there is evidence against it please produce it. All I've seen is really good evidence for it. Some of which I postedl It is intellectually tragic that you think you presented evidence rather than political propaganda. That you have seen none of the debunkings of the birther garbage--being all too happy to buy into propaganda without even looking at a contrary presentation--is all too clear. I could post links to the major debunkings. It wouldn't make any difference. If you were open to evidence, you'd have already seen them. Why would you bother looking at them now? You seem congenitally unable to comprehend the difference between evidence and an assertion that comports with what you want to believe. You didn't have any trouble finding birther "evidence"--so just fire up Google and search for "debunk Obama birthers" or something like. But you won't, and it wouldn't matter if you did. Your mind is closed."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.5
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Faith writes: I'll just say it again: the evidence I found is VERY good. As good as your evidence ever gets, Faith."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.5
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vimesey writes: This is what you have to accept as being capable of applying to you, if it's what you want to throw at others. That's all very well, but God wouldn't do that to her. She wasn't born in Kenya."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.5
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ooh-child writes: Is Obama running in the next Republican primary? Cuz, the title of this thread is about awesome Republican primaries. No, but candidates will be running against Obama in every Republican primary. Forever."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.5
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Obama woulda made a great Black Bart, but an even better Firesign Theater Babe:
quote: "If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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