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NoNukes Inactive Member
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(literally, *every* continent Wow!! Yes including Antartica! After Spicer's rant about the sizes of the crowds, he was asked about the crowds at the Women's Marches. Trump's press secretary did not address that question or any other question about crowd sizes. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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It's that it's possible to become wealthy through politics that is wrong. So we disagree. As long as there are no ethical issues involved, I have no problem with a former politician, or anybody else making tons of money. Pay your taxes, donate to charity, and treat your fellow man right, and you are okay in my book. What is it about the fact that Obama may make money writing yet another book, perhaps about his time as president, or going on a lecture tour, that you feel should not be? Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Trump's lying is incessant. In his meeting with Congress yesterday he claimed that 3-5 million illegal votes were cast for Hillary, and he repeated the crowd size claims that his spokesperson had backed away from.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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All elected officials should work for minimum wage, but I don't think TrumpleThinSkin is worth 1 cent a year. Nobody should work for minimum wage. Seriously, what kinds of candidates could you attract with such a policy? Wouldn't it be only the rich folk who can afford to take a pay-free sabbatical? I understand the problem with politicians being overpaid, but between your policy of underpaying, and Percy's policy that they shouldn't write books or do speaking tours after being president, just who other than already rich folks could afford to be president? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Perhaps the politicians should be audited annually to show that their earning are honest and not graft or corruption. That is the concern, yes That would be my concern. I'm not sure what are the concerns of folks are who just don't want politicians to make lots of money after they leave office doing honest, "ungrafty", non-corrupt things like writing books or doing speaking tours. 400K is too much? I totally get that. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Is he lying about the size of the inauguration crowd? Well, I hadn't heard that he claimed it was bigger than Obama's, it seems pretty well known that Obama's outdid all other Presidents in that respect. You tell us you hadn't heard something, and then launch into a tirade against the left as if your ignorance is the basis for anything. Let's just debunk the thrust of your tirade with facts. Trump did indeed send Spicer out to announce that Trump's inauguration was the largest ever. The fact that you did not hear about that means absolutely nothing. Spicer's nonsense claims:
quote: The first claim was certainly not true, and who knows whether the second one was true.
quote: Nope, those same covering were used at Obama's last inauguration. In addition, Spicer cited complete nonsense stacks about metro train ridership, numbers which underestimated both Trump and Obama numbers. Obama's numbers dwarfed those of folks trying to see Trump's inauguration. Of course, you've already admitted that everyone knows the facts. So yeah, Trump did claim foolishly to have had the largest inauguration crowds ever. He sent his press secretary out to deliver the lie. To Spicer's credit, he seemed very chagrined about his lies the following day. Quite obviously he does not like lying.
Trump makes a lot of us very happy. I'm well aware of that. Must be great not having an African Muslim for a president, huh? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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NoNukes writes: I'm well aware of that. Must be great not having an African Muslim for a president, huh? Faith writes: Aw, there it is, the Leftist lying spin. What's really really great is not having an America-hating racist Commie Muslim Your denials are worthless. Wasn't that you posting all that nonsense about Obama being a Kenyan rather than a real American? Aren't Kenyans Africans? Africa is not a race it is a continent. I said nothing about Obama's skin color. That's on you. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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I noted the flaw in our system in the way it allows so many to become rich from a career in politics. You specifically suggested that things like writing books and giving speeches were examples of those 'flaws'. Seriously, we've only had a 40 something presidents, and at any given time only a few of them seem to be around. Accordingly some people might be interested in what they have to say about the experience. What kind of flaw is that? And how is labeling something a flaw not an expression of your disapproval. I'll also note that Obama was writing best sellers before he became president. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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He didn't complain about his crowd size. He complained about how the media misrepresented it. The claim is not that he complained about the crowd size, but that Trump's complaints about media misrepresentation included bald faced lies. I've demonstrated those lies via quotes made by Trump's press secretary to the press. Guess what book is the Amazon number one best seller, 68 years after it was first published. George Orwell's 1984 prompted by the phrase 'alternative facts' used by Kellyanne Conway's description of the administration statements regarding crowd size. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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I've seen for myself that the media lie about him, and one way they lie is by accusing him of lying. You don't need to rely on the media this time, Faith. You can catch Trump in the lies yourself if you are the least bit inclined to hear the truth. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Here is what you said about speaking fees:
It was a general point about the political class in agreement with Trump, that politics seems to be a route to riches when it shouldn't be, and Obama was an example. As an ex-president Obama can now go out on the speaking circuit commanding large fees. What is your problem with the speaking fees Obama can "command" and how do those fees "perverts not just the political process but everything associated with politics"? Why should anybody except the folks who ask him to speak care about the size of Obama's speaking fees? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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Barack Obama's forcing of his extreme far-left agenda on an unwilling country by executive orders, left wing judges, and obsequious bureaucrats over a period of 8 years leaves his properly elected successor little choice but to do some unpredictable things to start down the long road to right that far left agenda, according to the will of those who elected him. Actually, not. Trump is under little to no time pressure to make changes to Obamacare before Congress acts. In fact, the polls suggest that about half of the folks don't want repeal and about 74 percent of folks really want at least some kind of replace and repeal rather than appeal. The split among republicans alone is somewhere around the high 40s. So, there is no need to blame this on Obama. Beyond that, there is no excuse whatsoever for doing confusing stuff just because you have to do something. Let's also recall that the Republicans have already made Avogadro's number of appeal attempts. Is it really the case that after 7 or so years, nobody has a viable replacement for a program that they all hated and allegedly attempt to repeal previously. What would they have done if those previous attempts had worked?
It was Trump who actually suggested he cancel the trip for now. Having a president with a Theodore Roosevelt type backbone is something that will take a lot of getting used to, I know. I don't really give Trump a lot of heat for this one. He said that there was no point in coming if Mexico was not paying for the wall, and almost certainly that advice makes sense. While I don't agree with Trump's policy, in this case, I am forced to chalk that up to a difference of opinion rather than ineptitude as displayed in the previous example.
Percy writes: Ordered an immediate immigration ban, causing chaos at airports and stranding legitimate immigrants overseas. This is the knee-jerk reaction, and it's just about all the information you're going to get from the NY Times. You are claiming that White Houses failure to provide guidance on a ban that Trump could have imposed at any date did not result in a clusterF%$$# that the courts had to unwind over the weekend? What was the rush? [1] ABE: As an example of what kind of operation this executive order was, the White House is now saying that green card holders are exempt from the order. Of course, that was exactly what the Department of Homeland Security had initially assumed only to be informed by the White House that green card holders from the seven named countries could not enter the country. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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So, even if it is true that the visit would have been pointless, it certainly could have been cancelled in a more sensible and less insulting way. And I think that it certainly is reasonable to criticise Trump for it, as well as the whole idea that Mexico should have to pay for the wall. Yes. It seems my lowered expectations are already showing. I have accepted the idea that Trump is going to do some pretty "f'ed" up stuff, and I am aiming my complaints at how bad a job he does at implementing. I actually gave Trump points for saving President Nieto some travel dollars. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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There's hope for this administration, perhaps, at least in foreign affairs? Perhaps. In another note, the Trump administration is saying that maybe new settlements in the Gaza strip are not helpful to peace. They are still hedging and not saying that such settlements are harmful, as ought to be obvious enough. Perhaps a little OJT as Cats Eye called it is occurring. Meanwhile, in defending the ban on Muslims from seven countries Kellyanne Conway talked about the cover-up of a Bowling Green massacre that never happened. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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How fast will the common man wake up? Will it happen when his insurance disappears? When his fishing streams disappear? When a highway rumbles through his back yard? When his clean water dries up? Maybe when the black lung health coverage disappears, but the coal mining jobs don't come back? As best as I can tell, these are the non-Democrats most likely to hold Trump responsible for any failures. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000
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