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Message 11 of 4573 (796850)
01-05-2017 12:04 PM


In farewell to U.S. military, Obama calls for ‘seamless’ transition of power to Trump
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We’ve got to make sure that during this transition period that there is a seamless passing of the baton, that there’s continuity, Obama said. He said it was critical to ensure that we are doing everything we can to make sure that the next president will benefit from the same kinds of outstanding advice and service that these people around the table have provided me.
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Obama’s comments as he sat down with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the military’s combatant commanders came amid concerns in military and diplomatic circles about how Trump may handle national security challenges. Over the last few days, Trump has disputed the U.S. intelligence community’s assessments about Russian hacking, insisted without explanation that North Korea won’t develop a nuclear weapon that could hit the U.S. and questioned the worth of the United Nations.
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Obama said he was optimistic about the country’s future because the military upholds the values of rule of law and professionalism and integrity, and recognizes our constitutional structure and maintains strict adherence and respect for civilian authority and democratic practices in determining how we use the awesome force of the American military.
The contrast between the outgoing and incoming Presidents is quite clear. Obama has conducted himself with dignity and has brought honor to the United States, while Trump displays his ignorance and stupidity daily and is an embarrassment to civilization.

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Message 88 of 4573 (797075)
01-11-2017 12:00 AM
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01-10-2017 10:01 PM


Re: Russia May Have Collected Embarrassing and Prurient Information About Trump
The 36-page document's most discussed claim may be that the Russian government possesses a video of Trump engaging in an orgy with prostitutes who perform a "golden shower," or urinate on each other in an effort to defile a bed once slept on by the Obamas because (according to the report) Trump "hated" them.
The sad thing is, while some people are saying these are lies or fake news, no one is saying no this can't be true because Trump would never do any of these things.
Based on Trump's whole history this is all completely in character for him, it's easy to believe he would do all these things, including betraying America.
He certainly dishonors America.

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Message 99 of 4573 (797093)
01-11-2017 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
01-11-2017 11:44 AM


Re: Did Trump mock a disabled reporter?
The only one I give a little credence to is his attitude toward women, but since I hate political correctness more than I object to sexism the credence isn't much.
So you would prefer we say exactly what we think about you rather than being polite?
Considering how thin skinned you and Trump are, I think what you really mean is it's ok for you to be assholes, but everyone who disagrees with you should be politically correct.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
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Message 118 of 4573 (797259)
01-16-2017 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by RAZD
01-16-2017 9:07 AM


Re: Trump Promises Health Care for All
In a Saturday evening interveiw with The Washington Post Trump promised ...
Worthless baiting.
... Details won't be made available until confirmation of Tom Price to be secretary of Health and Human Services.
Approve him and then see what you get.
Ooooh, ooooh, I know this one......a tax cut for the wealthy, well, the ones who pay taxes.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 153 of 4573 (797502)
01-22-2017 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Percy
01-22-2017 1:16 PM


Re: Reaction to The Trump Inauguration: Impeachment?
Anyone looking for inspiration? Try this: Pictures From Women’s Marches on Every Continent (literally, *every* continent)
My wife and I drove to Salem, OR and participated in the Women's March. It poured rain the whole time, but we both enjoyed every minute of it. Later she said she felt invigorated. It was a large crowd, but I have not seen any size estimates. I shot some photos and there were some great signs and slogans.
President Pants-on-Fire's "Alternate Facts" cannot dispute the evidence of this global protest against HIM.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 222 of 4573 (797912)
01-29-2017 11:23 AM
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01-29-2017 10:17 AM


Re: We Again Have a Teflon President
This is the essence of Mr. Trump: selling himself or his plans by massaging and embellishing facts, or simply making them up and hoping everyone plays along.
After Trump sent his press secretary, Sean Spicer, out to make statements about the inauguration crowd that were clearly lies, Kellyanne Conway told Chuck Todd on Meet the Press that the administration had their own "Alternate Facts." To his credit Todd stated that there is no such thing as alternate facts, that those are untruths.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 233 of 4573 (797952)
01-29-2017 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by marc9000
01-29-2017 7:38 PM


Re: the spontaneous outpouring of citizenry
Today's Democrat party is nothing like it was in the late 60's, and today's sensationalizing mainstream news media is nothing like it was in the late 60's.
And curiously the Republican Party is nothing like it was in the 60's either. In fact, WOW, I'm nothing like I was back in the 60's.
How about that, everything changes over time.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tanypteryx
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Message 235 of 4573 (797956)
01-29-2017 10:52 PM
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01-29-2017 9:21 PM


Re: the spontaneous outpouring of citizenry
While il Donald cannot even fill up his designated support station many many thousands more can show up without orchestration, without compensation, all over the world and in cities all across the US to decry the mockery that is the Trump agenda; the perversion of all things good the US stood for that has characterized the Trump Presidency so far.
Yes! Like my wife said while we were marching, "It's invigorating!" It made us feel so good to be part of it. Never before has there been such an outpouring of emotional energy, in response to a President's swearing in. Millions of Americans and millions more people around the globe all swearing to resist the Trump agenda and his degrading example of humanity.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 240 of 4573 (798080)
01-30-2017 5:11 PM
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01-30-2017 10:46 AM


Re: the spontaneous outpouring of citizenry
Are you now,
Or have you ever been
Radicalized?
I don't think of myself as radicalized now, but was in a Vets Against the War group in about 1970, that a lot of people considered radical.
I guess it has always been considered radical to protest when you think the government is doing something you think is wrong.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 244 of 4573 (798105)
01-30-2017 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by marc9000
01-30-2017 9:29 PM


Re: the spontaneous outpouring of citizenry
What are some examples of differences in the Republican party of the 60's versus today?
The thing that pops into my head first is the fundamentalist christianization had not occurred yet. Beyond that I would have to think about it for a while. Thinking about republicans is not something I relish these days.
marc9000 writes:
Here are a few of the Democrats;
*Someone with an open fondness for a communist dictator like Fidel Castro (Bernie Sanders) wouldn't have gotten anywhere near a Democrat presidential nomination in the 60's.
I suppose that is probably correct. I wasn't aware of his fondness for Castro. I have always thought Castro was an asshole and that communism is a shitty system to live under.
*There was no EPA in the 60's, no global warming / climate change movement.
Well, the environmental movement was certainly becoming active and the EPA was signed into law by Nixon in 1970. The global warming/ climate change signal was not recognized yet. It wasn't until a fairly high density of weather recording stations, computers to process the results and enough climate watching satellites were put in orbit that the data became clear. I remember an editor of a magazine, Research & Development, that we got in the lab I worked in while I was in school, used to write that he thought we were on the brink of another ice age.
*There was no attempt to involve the government with health care in the 60's.
This is just incorrect. Medicare was signed into law in 1965.
*There were no filthy mouth Hollywood celebrities like Madonna spouting in front of an open mike without condemnation from the 60's Democrats.
Well, I like filthy mouthed celebrities although I don't know what she said that you didn't like.
I guess you don't remember Woodstock.
*60's Democrats weren't pushing for special rights for gays, trannies, foreigners from enemy nations, abortion seekers, to near the extent they do today.
Yeah, that's too bad, but I guess they were busy trying to help the African Americans get the rights they were entitled to as citizens that are guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.
I am unaware of any special rights being pushed for anyone you listed today. You may not like it, but all citizens in the United States of America are entitled to the same rights as enumerated in the Constitution.
*A 60's Democrat said "ask NOT what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". No current Democrat is going to get near that.
You know, that is just a disgusting example of un-American character assassination. Millions of us vote and pay taxes and serve our country and love our country and want to see our country get better and better, so don't you dare imply that your side are the only ones who love this country!
What's different about you since the 60's?
I didn't realize how lucky I am to be an American back then, I know now. I hadn't been anywhere or done anything back in the 60's. I have been a lot of places and seen how lucky we are. I've raised children and have grandchildren now. I was scared I would be a failure, but I've had a great life. My politics have changed a lot.
By the way, the Constitution hasn't changed either.
Well, except for the 26th and 27th amendments and there were several amendments ratified in the 60's.
ABE: Sorry Percy, I didn't see your post. I don't want to derail your thread so hide this post if you want.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : apology for derailing thread

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Message 270 of 4573 (798619)
02-03-2017 8:43 PM


What a Defunded EPA Means for America
A number of Trump's cabinet appointees are climate deniers. They told bald-faced lies about their beliefs with regard to climate change and global warming during their hearings. anything to get the appointment.
I ran across this article today: Here’s What a Defunded EPA Means for America, The agency Trump plans to eviscerate does much more than fight climate change. BY John Light, Feb. 3, 2017
The George Washington Bridge in heavy smog, photographed during the early 1970s before many of today's clean air protections were put in place. This photograph is part of the Environmental Protection Agency's series to "Photographically Document Subjects of Environmental Concern," compiled 1972-77. (The US National Archives/Flickr)

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

  
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Message 344 of 4573 (799644)
02-12-2017 2:00 PM


Lies and more lies
Robert Reich posted on his facebook page: As we enter the 4th bizarre week of Trump’s presidency, we are faced with lies aren’t just embellishments of fact. They the opposites of truth.
quote:
Just 3 examples from last week:
--- Trump insists that Judge Neil Gorsuch, his nominee for the Supreme Court, did not describe Trump’s attacks on a federal judges as disheartening and demoralizing (even though it was corroborated by three witnesses).
--- Trump declares that the murder rate in our country is the highest it’s been in 45 to 47 years, when, despite some recent troubling spikes in certain cities, it’s nationally near a low not seen since the late 1960s.
--- Trump tells a group of senators that he lost New Hampshire last November because thousands of Massachusetts residents were bused to the neighboring state to cast ballots against him, when there’s not one iota of evidence for that ever happening.
It seems that the defining character of the Trump administration is lies on top of lies. The Whitehouse senior policy adviser Stephen Miller doubled down on these and other lies on network Sunday news programs this morning.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 349 of 4573 (799665)
02-12-2017 10:33 PM
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02-12-2017 8:37 PM


Re: Lies and more lies
A good President really needs to be able to lie so again, I can't fault Trump or his Administration for lying; the problem is that it seems that simply are as clueless about how to lie as they are about economics or science or reality or history or just about every area of knowledge or talent they have demonstrated so far. So far the whole group from Trump to has staff to most of his cabinet appointees simply come across as incompetent clowns.
I can see where a president might want to play things close to the vest and to deflect scrutiny, especially in cases of national security. But Trump just can't seem to keep from telling porkies that are demonstrably untrue and that any kid could show are untrue with just a few minutes on the web. And then they double down when their lies are pointed out. They aren't lying about important stuff, instead it's about Trump's immature ego. He is a pathological liar, something that became obvious to me when I became aware of him when he decided to run.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 560 of 4573 (801404)
03-05-2017 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 559 by NoNukes
03-05-2017 7:48 PM


Re: This is great.
It also turns out that you really can make a country work better by scapegoating the weak, depriving folks of heath care and safety nets, and exploiting nationalism, putting coal dust into rivers and streams, and punishing/discriminating against folks without due process as long as you paint them as the enemy. History shows that such things work at least in the short term.
Man, that is really sad and depressing.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 794 of 4573 (808628)
05-11-2017 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 793 by vimesey
05-11-2017 4:57 PM


Re: Genuinely delusional
So he now believes he coined the phrase "prime the pump".
Except he doesn't actually know what "prime the pump" means, let alone what a fucking pump is.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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