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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Receiving or soliciting a donation of information of value is flat-out illegal.
How about a donation of MONEY? Didn't think so.
If only the Steele dossier wouldn't have been full of lies, maybe Hillary would have had something.
Irrelevant to the legality of the Clinton campaigns's actions.
Here's one of them, get your barf bag out.
Thank you for emphasizing the truth of my point. Your quote does not mention the fundamental difference, the fact that Hillary's campaign did nothing illegal in obtaining the dossier. quote: ABE Yes, the appalling lies in that quote do make me want to barf.
"Fundamental difference"? Or a liberal dance?
To me the difference between legal and illegal is fundamental. Do you disagree? Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Trump tweets:
quote: Trump is, of course, ignorant of the fact that a good part of the dossier was paid for by the conservative Washington Free Beacon. While I'm here, from the House Permanent Select Committee on IntelligenceReport on Russian Active Measures at the time led by a Republican): quote:
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
About a month later. Why is that important?
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
So then to answer the Stephanopoulos question properly, Trump should have said, (when asked if he would accept dirt on a political opponent from a foreign entity) "hey, I'd PAY for dirt on a political opponent from a foreign entity", and that would have made all the Democrats happy? No negative reporting on him if he'd said that?
You got it. That would be no problem. ABE: Some liberals might not understand, burt those whose jobs it is to understand (the media) would.
Do you think that's why CNN's ratings have dropped 26% so far this year? And Fox's have risen at least 11%?
Ratings aren't an appropriate measure. Polls are the best we have. President Trump daily job approval for June 11, 2019:
ABE 2:
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Hillary Clinton's campaign had no "foreign dealings" that anyone has ever reported.
You have defeated me!! I'm not going to play your dishonest little bait games.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Accepting information from a foreign entity is illegal.
Marc's gonna rightly jump on that. A campaign accepting a donation of information of value from a foreign entity is illegal. A campaign paying for information of value from a foreign entity is not prima facie illegal and is usually legal. If a foreign agent offered information of value, a campaign accepted it, and later paid the agent that might well be illegal. Contracting a foreign agent to provide information of value in the future for agreed-upon market value compensation is definitely legal. Even if (as in Hillary's case) there's a third party who holds the contract and decides to hire a foreign agent to collect the information. See the second part of Message 2910.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Yeah, no creationist would think of quote-mining that. ;-)
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Later, in April 2016, Marc Elias ” a top Democratic campaign lawyer ” retained Fusion GPS through his firm of Perkins Coie on behalf of both Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign...
Fusion GPS is a US company. But still, retaining a foreign company to do research for a fee is legal. He should have asked if you had any evidence of illegal foreign dealings.
Hillary's games with foreign entities.
Got any evidence of illegality or a coverup? Didn't think so.
quote:Evidence? Didn't think so. Were any illegal or unethical actions involved? Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Trump didn't say "he'd accept", he only said he'd listen, and I think there's a difference.
Why? Oh, he said much more than that.
He's still learning, understandably, about the intensity of the hate against him, and how he needs to be on his guard more in quickly answering loaded questions.
He's an awfully slow learner. What about the question made it a loaded question?
Agreed, but it makes one wonder how many dinners Hillary attended when she was Secretary of State, and how many suggestions she had to look into things from heads of socialist and communist nations, who agree with her on many things. How many times she called the FBI about it, and how diligently the news media focused on it.
You really can't learn that it is illegal for a campaign to accept a donation form a foreign entity. In those instances she was not a campaign. And of course, your accusation is unfounded innuendo. No evidence, as usual.
It seems to be taken as a given that Russia preferred Trump to be president over Hillary. I've never seen it made very clear, just why a socialist / communist nation like Russia would favor a free market capitalist like Trump over a socialist, big government advocate like Hillary.
Senate report affirms intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia favored Trump over Clinton:
quote:The reason is obvious. Trump adores ruthless dictators. He's said several times he believes Putin's claims over the unanimous conclusions of our intelligence agencies. He's refused to record what he said in his meetings with Putin, illegal by at least two laws (the Presidential Records Act and the Federal Records Act ). He's easily manipulated; give him some meaningless pomp and circumstance, tell him billions are coming somewhere down the road, and he goes home happy with the wool over his eyes. Unless they have a "D" behind their name. All the sensationalism, all the wasted time, all the confusion created by the phony Steele dossier wasn't condemned by the mainstream media to anywhere near the frenzy that two words from Trump; "I'd listen" did.
Some of the dossier is true, some is false, some is unknown. BUt there's nothing illegal there. However, Trump said a lot more than two words:
quote:BTW, they don't all do it. I'm not using ratings to judge what the truth is or is not, I'm using them to gauge how the general public is likely to vote in the next election.
For which they are ridiculously unsuited. I see you have no comment on the polls I posted, including one from Fox.
Straight news from CNN, white supremacy from Fox News? Okay, not much to discuss there
Way off topic, but when white supremacists hail Tucker Carlson as on of their own I listen. Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : Fixed a quote
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Some evidence of Trump's love of despots:
”Credible evidence’ Saudi crown prince liable for Khashoggi murder: UN expert quote:But not even the gentlest of criticism from the US government. |
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
What the FEC chair says is not law, and she misspoke slightly. The FEC web site is clear:
FEC | Candidate | Who can and can't contribute
quote:As is the previously posted law itself: 52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
quote:Note the words "contribution" and "donation".
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
But the cause for latest Democrat hysteria is Trump's response to Stephanopoulos's gotcha question, which Trump couldn't possibly answer without setting Democrats / mainstream media into a frenzy. He said "he'd listen", and we see what's happening. If he'd said; "oh no, I wouldn't listen", then we'd have heard "LIAR LIAR LIAR, WHAT WERE YOU DOING WHEN YOU SENT YOUR SON TO MEET WITH THE RUSSIANS?" Maybe he could have just said "no comment", do you think the media would have had something to say about that?
Republicans oppose Democrats because of what Republicans say Democrats do. Democrats oppose Republicans because of what Republicans do. Of course the answer to "LIAR LIAR LIAR, WHAT WERE YOU DOING WHEN YOU SENT YOUR SON TO MEET WITH THE RUSSIANS?" is "not meeting with Russians or aware of any meeting". Duh.
I don't see any distinguishable difference in what Hillary's intentions could have been as Secretary of State as she was weighing her options in running for the presidency after Obama was through, versus Trump's intentions for possible re-election during the second year of his presidency.
The law doesn't care what you can or cannot see. Thinking about running for office is not the same as being a candidate. A candidate is someone who's filed the appropriate paperwork. When Hillary was Secretary of State, she was not a candidate and not subject to that law. Trump was definitely a candidate in 2015-2016, and since Trump filed the appropriate paperwork immediately after his inauguration, he's been a candidate (with an organized campaign) since then and subject to the law I posted.
So what are some details of this "sound intelligence product"?
Well, they certainly aren't the moronic fantasies you made up. Remember:
Republicans oppose Democrats because of what Republicans say Democrats do. Democrats oppose Republicans because of what Republicans do. But we realize that you and your ilk are deathly afraid of reality.
The Tactics & Tropes of the Internet Research Agency (the Russian organization carrying out the campaig).:
quote: The other report referred to is at Documents: Senate Intelligence Committee Publishes Two Reports on Internet Research Agency (near the bottom)
quote: The reason is obvious. Trump adores ruthless dictators.
Is that why he favors smaller government, and armed citizenry, fewer regulations, lower taxes? Those polls are laughable, I don't care where they come from. I'd bet they don't take the Electoral College into consideration at all.
And yet they are the best data we have. No doubt there will be big changes, but that's waht we have. It's sad that you don't even trust Fox News. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Your "understanding" of the law is risible.
Trump changed his answer as we've demonstrated. All politicians on both sides lie. Trump and the extreme right wing have taken brazen lying to previously unheard of and dizzying heights. As I explained above, her thoughts on running while Secretary of State are irrelevant because she was not a candidate at that time. If she did indeed receive information valuable to a campaign while SoS and used that information when she was a candidate, that might be illegal. Feel free to present evidence of such. Oh, you don't have any? Pity. Russia wants the US run by an ignorant illiterate egomaniac who's easily manipulated, and that's what they got. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Trump dismisses UN request for FBI to investigate Jamal Khashoggi's murder
quote:Well, that makes it official. Anyone remember the $100 billion in sales to Saudi Arabia Trump claimed to have secured? Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Yah, but it's meaningless.
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