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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
How dare you call me a *****!!
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Theodoric writes:
I’m very, very surprised and rather disappointed that you should make this comment. It should be obvious from my various contributions on this forum that I am somewhat of an expert when it comes to evolution and science in general . unless I am completely deluded or insane. You obviously know nothing about science or the TOE. Regardless, the demise of the Native Americans is undoubtedly an example of evolution in action. According to your Darwinist belief-system, species and sub-species have been coming and going for billions of years - a process that’s considered perfectly natural. But for some odd reason, when a sub-species of humans is threatened with extinction or is dominated by another sub-species of humans, you call it “genocide”. If the numbers of Native Americans were reduced by wolves and grizzly bears or an Ice Age, that would be “evolution” and “nature”, but if other humans are responsible, suddenly it’s “genocide” and “evil”. From your Darwinist perspective of reality, this makes no sense. Humans are just another species of organism among millions of others that have existed and are therefore subject to evolution, just like any other species. Why are you opposed to the natural process of human evolution? I’ve never come across words like “genocide” and “evil” in evolutionary science. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Theodoric writes:
I don’t know. What do you mean by “racial equality”? And how does the “equality” of organisms fit into your Darwinist belief-system? I’ve never come across any such concept in evolutionary science (and as you know, I’m very well-read in that area), so perhaps this “equality” thing is unscientific and a fig-tree of your imagination or some emotional response to reality. So you do not believe in racial equality? (Once upon a time, a mouse piped up and declared, “All animals are equal!” An elephant that was nearby heard this and asked the mouse, “Mouse, what do mean, “All animals are equal”? The mouse replied, “Actually, I don’t know - it just sounds good.”)
Whites are superior?
I don’t know. What do you mean by “superior”?
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
dwise1 writes:
So he's trying to promote his and your sub-species - why do you have a problem with that? Are you opposed to the survival and evolution of your own sub-species?
Stephen Miller is Jewish and yet he stridently promotes a white-supremecist agenda in his mis-shaping of immigrant policy in this administration.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Hyroglyphx writes:
Yeah, right - just like all those career women out there who insist they aren’t feminists! I know exactly what cultural marxism is, which is how I know I don't subscribe to it. Cultural Marxism has become the dominant culture of Western civilization. Many folks aren’t even aware that they’re participating in cultural Marxism, as to them it’s simply the cultural norm.For example, Western mainstream Catholicism (as opposed the official Church) is dominated by cultural Marxism. Your average Catholic priests gets indoctrinated into the Marxist religion as a result of attending university (as do most nave and gullible undergraduates). He then returns to his parish and like the brainwashed lemming that he is, starts preaching political correctness (aka Cultural Marxism) from the pulpit, calling it “Social Justice” or “the gospel in action”. Sadly, most students never grow out of the Loony Left crap they picked up at uni. If you believe in racial equality and support feminism, abortion or “gay” rights, you are a cultural Marxist. If you vote for the Democrats, you are almost certainly a cultural Marxist. If you live in Austin, Texas, you are almost certainly a cultural Marxist. If you are an educated Western atheist, you are almost certainly a cultural Marxist. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Stile writes:
That’s because you don’t want God to exist. The scientific impossibility of natural abiogenesis is powerful evidence that God exists, but you choose to ignore this evidence, which means you’re not interested in following the evidence wherever it leads - which means you have “no love for the truth” (2Thess 2:10). So your philosophy amounts to “great swelling words of emptiness” (2Peter 2:18). I am claiming that I know God doesn't exist because we've looked for Him and never found any single tiny shred of evidence that would even hint that He might exist. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 writes:
Sounds just like the politically correct (ie, cultural Marxist) societies that dominate Western civilization, which pretend to believe in freedom of speech but are completely intolerant of anyone who doesn’t conform to their idiotic “equality” ideology, which has produced degenerate, anti-life insanities such as feminism and same-sex marriage.
Instead you tell us we cannot do this or that because your god doesn’t like it, or we cannot say this or that because your god doesn’t like it, or we cannot think this or that because your god doesn’t like it . . you go further and torture, burn, and make war against humanity to force your restrictions on the world.That is hate.
1. And those lovely atheists - the Communists - who tortured, burned and made war against humanity (killing at least 100 million) in their quest to make everyone “equal” (like ants). Be equal (like ants)- or we’ll kill ya! 2. "Human sacrifice was practised to some extent by many peoples in Mesoamerica (and for that matter, around the world) for many centuries. But it was the Aztec empire that really took the ritual to new heights. How many people were sacrificed by the Aztecs? We don't know how many were sacrificed over the years - it's possible that some accounts are exaggerated - but it was probably thousands each year - tens of thousands or more altogether. Some estimates claim 20,000 a year . Both the empire's own people, and their enemies were sacrificed. The warriors were often involved in a special ritual war called a xochiyaoyotl (or flower war/flowery war). The object was not to gain territory or kill the enemy, but to capture them as food for the gods. Both sides of the battle were required to fight, and they usually were willing participants. The people would be captured instead of killed, and then sacrificed." Aztec sacrifice According to you, the Christian colonizers who brought this sick, death-cult society to an end did a HATEful thing.
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vimesey writes:
I recall a football/soccer match played between Liverpool and Man. United a few years ago, in which a white player called a black player a bad (ie, racist) name. A complaint was lodged and as a result, the police were later called in to investigate this “crime”. I feel very free indeed in the UK. That feeling isn't diminished by knowing that I'll get into trouble if I behave in such a way that we have collectively agreed would hurt a bunch of people too much.Freedom within our society includes the freedom to be a twat, but not where you are being such a twat that we have collectively decided that you would harm others by behaving that way. Fair enough for me. Yep, that’s right - THE POLICE WERE CALLED IN - not because one man assaulted another man with an iron bar, but because one man called another man a bad name!! Talk about kindergarten cops! Political correctness (aka cultural Marxism) has turned your nation into a bunch of sooks and sissies. The only reason you’re happy with this politically-correct madness is that - like any good Western atheist - your religion is cultural Marxism. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangle writes:
. as if that fool knew. Christopher Hitchens - a creepy, dysfunctional bull**** artist who had to continually drown his godless misery in alcohol. That depressing loser was an embarrassment to humanity. The only time he was happy was the moment he died.
Ok, but like Hitch used to say, even if it was possible to show that a god exists, still you have all the work in front of you to show that it's any particular religion's god.
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Tangle writes:
Catholic can't believe what they like - they must accept all the doctrines and dogmas of the Chruch.
All very convenient and makes it possible to believe what you like hence the 30,000 different Christian sects each with their own 'truth'.
That’s because, due to human pride, some people left the one, true Church and started their own fake churches, the numbers of which have unfortunately proliferated. The Catholic Church has existed since Jesus founded in about 2000 years ago and contains over a billion believers who are all taught exactly the same doctrines and dogmas and are united under one leader.
Like almost all religions their main line is that only their beliefs get you into heaven and they tell you that only those that are baptised as Catholics can enter heaven. Where do the rest go then? Traditionally this is hell.
You are misinformed. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church (#1260): "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."63 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.“
Indulgences
As far as I know, an Indulgence is a monetary form of penance or sacrifice, offered by someone living for the benefit of the soul of a deceased loved one. Maybe it can apply to one's sin's as well (I need to look that up). It’s possible this practice was abused in the past. As for the present, I’ve never actually heard of anyone offering an Indulgence, so the practice would seem to be very rare these days.
They invented two other places - Limbo, for unbaptised babies that are otherwise without sin. (Hilariously they're currently backtracking on this one because in several third world countries with high infant mortality, mothers would rather not sign up for that so they're losing converts to their Muslim competition who don't have that evil idea.)
From the CCC (#1261): As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,"64 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.” Entrusting these children “to the mercy of God” doesn’t sound like an “evil idea” to me.
Oh, you'll find there are millions of people who know who are and who aren't going to hell.
Nevertheless, the Catholic Church doesn’t pass judgement on the eternal fate of any particular people. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangle writes:
You quote a verse like this ” “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things” (Isaiah 45:7) out of context, but then when I ask you to explain how God can be “evil” in this verse, yet be “a righteous God” a few verses later (v.21), you have no sensible answer. The problem you have is that the bible - which is an edited collection of many myths by unknown authors over thousands of years - contradicts itself all over the place even in the heavily redacted form we have today. You really ought to leave Bible discussions to those who can present arguments that rise above your level of bumbling, ignorant amateur. Approaching the subject honestly and with an open mind would also help.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Hyroglyphx writes: My only criticism was that its always best not to treat groups as a homogenized unit - especially one so large and diverse. There's a ton of destruction sowed under the banner of Islam, but it would be unfair to lay every misdeed at the feet of every single Muslim considering most did not participate or condone the actions of others. That same rule applies to Christianity. Christianity: Jesus said, “I send you out as lambs in the midst of wolves, so be as wise as serpents but as innocent as doves” (Matt 10:16). Islam: The Qur’an tells us: “not to make friendship with Jews and Christians” (5:51), “kill the disbelievers wherever we find them” (2:191), “murder them and treat them harshly” (9:123), “fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem”
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Theodoric writes:
Neither should you - according to your Darwinist belief-system, the "genocide” of species and sub-species has been going on for billions of years, so it's just part of Mother Nature doing her thing.
I do not blame all christians for native genocide throughout the world
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Catholic Answers
Nonsense. Your conclusion is not implied by the Catholic statements quoted. Try and think honesty instead of relying on your antiChrist prejudice. quote:1. There is no salvation apart from Christ and his One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. Again, this is an infallible teaching and not up for debate among Catholics. 2. Those who are “invincibly” ignorant concerning the truth of #1 above will not be culpable for this lack of knowledge before God. 3. Those in the category of #2 have the real possibility of salvation even if they never come to an explicit knowledge of Christ and/or his Church. Those not persuaded by catholic teaching are condemned to hell according to catholic teaching. Show me a Catholic document that says “So-and-so is condemned to hell”, or that says, “All non-Catholic Christians are condemned to hell”, or that says “All Muslims are condemned to hell” or that says “All atheists are condemned to hell” or that says “Anyone not persuaded by Catholic teaching is condemned to hell”.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Wow, that’s pretty fascist
Well of course it is - political correctness/cultural Marxism hates free speech and is intolerant of dissenters. Just ask Australian sports star Israel Folau, who was sacked for preaching Christianity.iview
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