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Author Topic:   I Know That God Does Not Exist
Dredge
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Message 637 of 3207 (855457)
06-19-2019 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 629 by Stile
06-18-2019 8:21 AM


Re: Of Spirits and the After-Life
Stile writes:
Although I am not spiritually against the idea of life after death - I do know that it doesn't exist for the same reasons I know God doesn't exist.
I know that you don't know what you're talking about, because you know nothing at all about life after death.

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Message 638 of 3207 (855458)
06-19-2019 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 628 by Stile
06-18-2019 8:15 AM


Re: Of Spirits and the After-Life
Stile writes:
Abiogenesis is evidence towards God not existing again.
Please explain.

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Message 672 of 3207 (855602)
06-20-2019 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 626 by Tangle
06-18-2019 4:16 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Tangle writes:
Well of course in the fiction you have created it needs a heaven and hell to function. But you forget that God created the evil in the first place.
“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.”
Isaiah 45:7
This is a classical case of taking a verse out-of-context. The correct context is, "evil" here refers to calamnity or curse or punishment that is sent by God to humans as a result of their sin.

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Dredge
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Message 673 of 3207 (855604)
06-20-2019 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 640 by Faith
06-20-2019 12:29 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Faith writes:
I guess you have a different translation than I do, dredge. Mine says the cross is "the power of God UNTO SALVATION." Yours leaves out the last two words but they're crucial: the cross is what gives us eternal llfe. I hope that's what you believe. The cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, it says, which sadly seems to be most on this thread, the possessors of the "wisdom of the wise" which is only going to destroy them; but to us it is the means of our salvation. I hope your church hasn't deprived you of that knowledge
Thanks for that - I like your translation better than the one I supplied (which wasn't a Catholic translation but one I grabbed randomly off the 'net)

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Dredge
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Message 674 of 3207 (855605)
06-20-2019 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 645 by AZPaul3
06-20-2019 1:32 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
AZPaul3 writes:
Care to compare body count, let's say, Crusades vs Penicillin?
Not a great argument. For starters, if not for the Crusades, Europe would probably have been overrun by Islam. Then there is the fact that atheist (read: Communist) regimes killed far, far more people in just one century that all the Christian wars in history put together.

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Dredge
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Message 675 of 3207 (855607)
06-20-2019 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 646 by Tangle
06-20-2019 1:57 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Tangle writes:
Right, just make up a God and then belief in him. I wonder why that has never occurred to me? Oh, I know, it would be a really childish, pointless and stupid thing to do.
Just trying to figure you out - which seems to be that you find the very idea of the existence of God to be a childish absurdity.

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Dredge
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Message 676 of 3207 (855608)
06-20-2019 7:45 PM
Reply to: Message 646 by Tangle
06-20-2019 1:57 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Tangle writes:
That's terribly sad, have you seen a doctor
I've suffered serious illness since I was nineteen years old - I'm 60 now. So I can't wait until this life ends and a better one begins.
Like I say, if you find the only life you'll ever have so meaningless, pointless and futile I feel sorry for you and can almost understand the need you have to believe in a made up paradise in an imaginary afterlife.
If this life is all there is, one may as well live in a dreamworld, because it doesn't matter what one believes or does or feels - we all end up in the same place.
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

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Dredge
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Message 677 of 3207 (855609)
06-20-2019 7:56 PM
Reply to: Message 648 by Faith
06-20-2019 2:10 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Faith writes:
When someone, such as dredge, says that atheism makes for a meaningless llfe style he's not saying people FEEL it to be meaningless, which they may or may not. He's saying simply and factually that it actually HAS no meaning, even if we personally can find meaning in it or create meaning to suit ourselves
Precisely. Some atheist freely admit that life is meaningless, but they're a small minority. Most atheists choose to ignore the depressing implications of their own belief system - ie, that human life has no more value or meaning than the life of a flea or a rock or the atoms they're made of.
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Dredge
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Message 678 of 3207 (855610)
06-20-2019 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 649 by Tangle
06-20-2019 2:56 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Tangle writes:
It's a shame that this dream comes at the expense of wasting the only life you'll ever get. It would at least be not totally wasted if you actually followed your god's actual teachings - gave up everything and helped your fellow man
If everyone did that, who would fix the plumbing or the cars? Who would get married and produce offspring? You have some very odd ideas about Christianity.

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Dredge
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Message 679 of 3207 (855611)
06-20-2019 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 659 by ringo
06-20-2019 12:08 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
ringo writes:
It's about what you do, not what you believe or what you profess
Nonsense. At every Mass, Catholics recite the Apostles' or Nicene Creed, which begin with "I believe ...".
Faith and beliefs are absolutely central to Christianity.
It is the "will of my Father which is in heaven" that humans believe in Him and obey His commandents.

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Dredge
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Message 680 of 3207 (855612)
06-20-2019 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 667 by Stile
06-20-2019 1:30 PM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Stile writes:
You act as if you get to describe purpose for everyone.
That's not how subjective things, like purpose, work.
Your insistence on not understanding this simple concept only shows that you do not know what you're talking about.
Can you prove objectively that a human life is more valuable or meaningful that the life of a flea?
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Dredge
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Message 681 of 3207 (855614)
06-20-2019 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 666 by Stile
06-20-2019 1:26 PM


Re: Of Spirits and the After-Life
To believe that life can come from non-life is unscientific, as it defies the laws of probability. So much for atheists being objective when it comes to science!
Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.

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Dredge
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Message 708 of 3207 (855758)
06-22-2019 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 693 by ringo
06-21-2019 11:57 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
ringo writes:
Call it "nonsense" if you like but Jesus said it, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 7:22)
Okay, so what is “the will of my Father”? (Here’s a clue: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life ... Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son" - John 3:16-18)
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Dredge
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Message 709 of 3207 (855759)
06-22-2019 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 683 by Tangle
06-21-2019 3:11 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Tangle writes:
Right and 'in context' black is white. What crap. Read the words -
“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.”
'Evil' is very specific, there is no other context
Sorry, but you're wrong. Your interpretation of this word in this context implies a childishly superficial, uninformed, not to mention illogical, understanding of the Bible. A few verses later (v. 21) God describes himself as "a righteous God". So how can God be both "evil' and "righteous"? And how is that this “evil” God continually condemns and punishes evil, but praises and rewards good throughout the Bible?
The answer is that "evil" in v. 7 is an imperfect translation - it really means "justice" or "punishment". For this reason, many Bibles don't use the word "evil" in this verse - for example, my Bible uses the word "woe", which is better but is still a little misleading.
A similarly imperfect and misleading translation is found in the NT, when Jesus says you must "hate" your father and mother.
the punishment of being condemned to everlasting flames if you're nor persuaded by - or haven't even heard of - a stone age myth is just plain idiotic.
Which Catholic teaching says people who have never heard the Christian message are going to hell? I'm unaware of such a teaching. In fact, I don't know of any Catholic teaching that says "So-and-so is going to hell." The Catholic Church teaches the reality of hell, but as far as I know, doesn't make any official judgements about who is going there. This is because only God knows who is going go hell.
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Dredge
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Message 712 of 3207 (855769)
06-22-2019 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 701 by Theodoric
06-22-2019 9:49 AM


Re: Topic Summary According to Thugzy
Theodoric writes:
chance you will provide data to support this assertion?
Try googling the deaths attributed to Communist regimes in the 20th century.
You might want to take a quick look at the genocide of Native Americans while you try to come up and fudge some data that won't support you.
Christianity was responsible for the "genocide" of Native Americans? What proof do you have of that?

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