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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Stile writes:
I know that you don't know what you're talking about, because you know nothing at all about life after death.
Although I am not spiritually against the idea of life after death - I do know that it doesn't exist for the same reasons I know God doesn't exist.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Stile writes:
Please explain.
Abiogenesis is evidence towards God not existing again.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangle writes:
This is a classical case of taking a verse out-of-context. The correct context is, "evil" here refers to calamnity or curse or punishment that is sent by God to humans as a result of their sin.
Well of course in the fiction you have created it needs a heaven and hell to function. But you forget that God created the evil in the first place. “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.”Isaiah 45:7
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Faith writes:
Thanks for that - I like your translation better than the one I supplied (which wasn't a Catholic translation but one I grabbed randomly off the 'net)
I guess you have a different translation than I do, dredge. Mine says the cross is "the power of God UNTO SALVATION." Yours leaves out the last two words but they're crucial: the cross is what gives us eternal llfe. I hope that's what you believe. The cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, it says, which sadly seems to be most on this thread, the possessors of the "wisdom of the wise" which is only going to destroy them; but to us it is the means of our salvation. I hope your church hasn't deprived you of that knowledge
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes:
Not a great argument. For starters, if not for the Crusades, Europe would probably have been overrun by Islam. Then there is the fact that atheist (read: Communist) regimes killed far, far more people in just one century that all the Christian wars in history put together.
Care to compare body count, let's say, Crusades vs Penicillin?
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangle writes:
Just trying to figure you out - which seems to be that you find the very idea of the existence of God to be a childish absurdity.
Right, just make up a God and then belief in him. I wonder why that has never occurred to me? Oh, I know, it would be a really childish, pointless and stupid thing to do.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangle writes:
I've suffered serious illness since I was nineteen years old - I'm 60 now. So I can't wait until this life ends and a better one begins.
That's terribly sad, have you seen a doctor Like I say, if you find the only life you'll ever have so meaningless, pointless and futile I feel sorry for you and can almost understand the need you have to believe in a made up paradise in an imaginary afterlife.
If this life is all there is, one may as well live in a dreamworld, because it doesn't matter what one believes or does or feels - we all end up in the same place. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Faith writes:
Precisely. Some atheist freely admit that life is meaningless, but they're a small minority. Most atheists choose to ignore the depressing implications of their own belief system - ie, that human life has no more value or meaning than the life of a flea or a rock or the atoms they're made of. When someone, such as dredge, says that atheism makes for a meaningless llfe style he's not saying people FEEL it to be meaningless, which they may or may not. He's saying simply and factually that it actually HAS no meaning, even if we personally can find meaning in it or create meaning to suit ourselves Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangle writes:
If everyone did that, who would fix the plumbing or the cars? Who would get married and produce offspring? You have some very odd ideas about Christianity.
It's a shame that this dream comes at the expense of wasting the only life you'll ever get. It would at least be not totally wasted if you actually followed your god's actual teachings - gave up everything and helped your fellow man
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
ringo writes:
Nonsense. At every Mass, Catholics recite the Apostles' or Nicene Creed, which begin with "I believe ...".
It's about what you do, not what you believe or what you profess Faith and beliefs are absolutely central to Christianity. It is the "will of my Father which is in heaven" that humans believe in Him and obey His commandents.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Stile writes:
Can you prove objectively that a human life is more valuable or meaningful that the life of a flea? You act as if you get to describe purpose for everyone.That's not how subjective things, like purpose, work. Your insistence on not understanding this simple concept only shows that you do not know what you're talking about. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
To believe that life can come from non-life is unscientific, as it defies the laws of probability. So much for atheists being objective when it comes to science!
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ringo writes:
Okay, so what is “the will of my Father”? (Here’s a clue: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life ... Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son" - John 3:16-18) Call it "nonsense" if you like but Jesus said it, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." (Matthew 7:22) Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined:
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Tangle writes:
Sorry, but you're wrong. Your interpretation of this word in this context implies a childishly superficial, uninformed, not to mention illogical, understanding of the Bible. A few verses later (v. 21) God describes himself as "a righteous God". So how can God be both "evil' and "righteous"? And how is that this “evil” God continually condemns and punishes evil, but praises and rewards good throughout the Bible? Right and 'in context' black is white. What crap. Read the words -“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.” 'Evil' is very specific, there is no other context The answer is that "evil" in v. 7 is an imperfect translation - it really means "justice" or "punishment". For this reason, many Bibles don't use the word "evil" in this verse - for example, my Bible uses the word "woe", which is better but is still a little misleading. A similarly imperfect and misleading translation is found in the NT, when Jesus says you must "hate" your father and mother.
the punishment of being condemned to everlasting flames if you're nor persuaded by - or haven't even heard of - a stone age myth is just plain idiotic.
Which Catholic teaching says people who have never heard the Christian message are going to hell? I'm unaware of such a teaching. In fact, I don't know of any Catholic teaching that says "So-and-so is going to hell." The Catholic Church teaches the reality of hell, but as far as I know, doesn't make any official judgements about who is going there. This is because only God knows who is going go hell. Edited by Dredge, : No reason given.
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Dredge Member Posts: 2850 From: Australia Joined: |
Theodoric writes:
Try googling the deaths attributed to Communist regimes in the 20th century.
chance you will provide data to support this assertion? You might want to take a quick look at the genocide of Native Americans while you try to come up and fudge some data that won't support you.
Christianity was responsible for the "genocide" of Native Americans? What proof do you have of that?
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