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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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And you don't remember Trump claiming millions of fraudulent voters were the reason he lost the popular vote? You've never heard of voter ID requirements that address nearly non-existent instances of people voting under a false name*? Nobody told you about closing polling places that just happened to be in black or Hispanic neighborhoods or on Indian reservations? Cutting off mobile polling places? Shortening and restricting early voting days, especially weekends so the poor who can't just take a day off have to vote in the evening, facing long lines and maybe the shutdown of the polls before they vote?
All of which have been demonstrated over and over again to disproportionately suppress liberal-leaning voters. Personally, I think voter ID is OK as long as the state makes herculean efforts to get as close as possible to every eligible voter having ID. Of course you don't remember Trump’s voter fraud commission, led by Kris Kobach (the most rabid anti-minority-voting zealot in the nation) ? Shut down with no results, largely because they demanded sensitive voter data from the states without bothering to set up any safeguards for those voters' privacy? *PolitiFact | Donald Trump says there's 'substantial evidence of voter fraud.' There isn't quote:
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I gave the most salient examples I'm aware of in mentioning illegal aliens and felons (and I'm not including those who have served their term, which ought to go without saying, but who is it, Biden or Sanders who is proposing that those in prison have the right to vote). Anyway that doesn't mean there are other problems involving voter fraud that I didn't mention because they are contested or hard to prove. Illegal aliens are to my mind a very clear case of who should not be allowed to vote in our elections.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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there are other problems involving voter fraud
But neither you or donnie's voting commission could find any evidence. If you have the evidence present it, if you don't shut up about it. Because claiming otherwise would be a lie.
Illegal aliens are to my mind a very clear case of who should not be allowed to vote in our elections.
But neither you or donnie's voting commission could find any evidence of this being an actual issue.If you have the evidence present it, if you don't shut up about it. Because claiming otherwise would be a lie. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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And nobody's suggesting they should, in state and Federal elections. So why worry about something that's not happening and there's no reason to believe it'll ever happen?
The only problems regarding voter fraud are the right wing's attempts at voter suppression. The kind of fraud that voter ID could prevent is vanishingly rare. Absentee ballot fraud is more common but still pretty rare. But I see you have no comment on the massive NC-09 fraud the Republicans committed. It's OK If You're A Republican, right?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: Presumably you mean the Republican Party, then. Practically all the real examples of voter manipulation or fraud that come up are from the Republicans. You say later that the “Izquierdo” has no integrity, which also fits.
quote: I’m glad that you actually admit that. Odd that you seem completely unconcerned with all the attempts to make it difficult for them to vote. But let’s be honest. To the Republican Party “voter fraud” really means “voting Democrat”.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
The horse with blinkers is only aware of what's directly in front of her. The only voter manipulation tactics I'm aware of are the work of the Izquierdo.Izquierdo.
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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quote:In 2016 the Republicans cried "let the voters decide!". Now it's "don't let the voters decide!" Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fixed quote box.
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Fox News on Mueller's press conference today:
quote: https://www.google.com/...-dept-amid-pressure-to-testify.amp
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Fox News Bret Baier:
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
I'm surprised. Bret Baier is usually more clear than this:
quote: Mueller was pretty clear, both in his report and in his comments today. He said they knew up-front that they couldn't charge a sitting president, but that they could investigate and report on possible obstruction, and that there was another process available for addressing presidential wrongdoing, i.e., impeachment. What Baier should have said was that Mueller made clear the degree to which Barr misrepresented the Mueller report on obstruction. This is what anyone would conclude, and what many have concluded, after checking Barr's comments and conclusions against the actual report. --Percy
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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IMHO it doesn't matter. Faith and her ilk will still bleat "no collusion, no obstruction." The rest of the world already knew.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Faith writes: Oh you mean not wanting illegals, noncitizens, to have the great privilege of voting in our elections? No. We mean legal citizens who find it is more and more difficult to vote because of rules Republicans pass. We are also talking about gerrymandering which has nothing to do with illegals voting.
Let's invite the entire Arab/Muslim world to vote in our elections while we're at it. And all the Chinese too. Are you saying that citizens who are Arab, Muslims, and Chinese should not be allowed to vote? That seems consistent with Republican ideology given how hard they have tried to prevent minority Americans from voting. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Faith writes: To a nonracist nontroll such as I am this is akin to being stabbed in the heart, I mean I literally feel it in my heart to be talked about in such a way. Oh, please. When you talk about illegals who shouldn't vote you focus on minorities, be it Arabs, Chinese, or Hispanics and equate whole races with being illegals. Republican strategies of voter suppression have always focused on minority citizens. They reduce the number of polling places in minority neighborhoods and require ID laws that are burdensome on minority populations. A substantial proportion of Republican voters use absentee balloting which is the most susceptible to voter fraud, yet they don't pass any laws making absentee voting harder. In fact, GOP operatives set up operations that illegally take absentee ballots from people and change their votes as seen in the last election. You aren't worried about illegals voting. You are worried about minorities voting. It's extremely obvious.
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Trump Allies Shift Their ”No Obstruction’ Refrain After Mueller Speaks Publicly
quote:Hanging their hats on a guy who so seriously misrepresented (lied about) Mueller's report before it came out. Barr's Trump’s man. He's made it clear that he believes the main job of the Attorney General of the United States is as the President's defense lawyer.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member
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From the New York Times:
David Whitley, Texas Secretary of State, Resigns After Questioning Voters’ Citizenship David Whitley, who served as the Texas secretary of state for about five months and was the face of a failed attempt to review the citizenship status of nearly 100,000 registered voters, resigned from his post Monday. Whitley was appointed Secretary of State, but he wasn't able to get the two-thirds vote in the legislature required for confirmation. As a result, he had to step down at the end the legislative session.
Mr. Whitley stirred up controversy in January when his office warned county officials that the Texas Department of Public Safety had identified about 95,000 registered voters as potential noncitizens, adding that 58,000 of those had voted in one or more elections in the state. Anyone who has been paying attention can predict what comes next.
In Texas, the effort to identify noncitizen voters quickly began to fall apart. Days after the list was announced, local election officials said that many of the people on it were known to be United States citizens. Mr. Whitley and other state leaders faced at least three lawsuits, and in February, a federal judge halted the effort to review voters’ citizenship status, calling the process “ham-handed.” Just in case some need the moral of the story spelled out:
“The big lie just keeps being repeated over and over again that there’s voter fraud, when the only real voter fraud is voter suppression,” Domingo Garcia, the president of [The League of United Latin American Citizens], said in an interview on Tuesday. “They’re basically trying to rig the system to keep power because they’re concerned that Texas is on the verge of becoming a purple state.” If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation. |
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