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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
NoNukes writes: So we disagree. As long as there are no ethical issues involved, I have no problem with a former politician, or anybody else making tons of money. Obama became rich while still a politician, not a "former politician." Regardless of the path to wealth, politics should not be a means to riches. Money's influences are corrupting. Again, the Senate is all multi-millionaires. Just a rare statistical anomaly? I don't think so. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Coyote writes: Trump is reportedly accepting $1 per year. His isolation from his businesses is in question (from which he makes far more than the presidential salary of $400,000/year), and he apparently has no intention of releasing his tax returns. In related news, the Trump hotel in Washington D.C. lease stipulates that no "elected official of the government ... shall be admitted to any share or part of this Lease, or to any benefit that may arise therefrom." (The Trump hotel, emoluments and conflicts) The problem isn't that conflicts like this abound. It's that Trump doesn't care. He'll have to be forcibly separated from entanglements like this (which likely abound) in the courts. As Trump would tweet, "Sad." --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Concerning the blatant lies told by the Trump press secretary about the inauguration crowd sizes the Australian Financial News writes (Truth, Lies and the Trump Administration):
quote: This must be some sort of record for a bad start by a new presidential administration. --Percy PS: About the link, to view it you need to either turn off Javascript or subscribe.
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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NoNukes writes: ...and Percy's policy that they shouldn't write books or do speaking tours after being president,... I never said anything like that. I noted the flaw in our system in the way it allows so many to become rich from a career in politics. The root of the problem is the value of political influence. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
During the election it was often said that Trump detractors took Trump literally but not seriously, while Trump supporters took him seriously but not literally. Well, it turns out we should all have been taking Trump seriously *and* literally. He's actually moving ahead with The Wall.
Sample article: Donald Trump: We will build the wall with Mexico now --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Hi Faith,
Again, I regret having to moderate my own thread, but I'm not going to allow this thread to spiral out of control. As I told RAZD when he introduced speculative content, and as I told you earlier, please make your discussion objective and evidence-based, and eschew initiation of left/right imbroglios. I'm asking those unwilling to do this to get off the thread. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Faith writes: ...and he's really not interested in the numbers himself. The evidence strongly indicates that it is Trump more than anyone anywhere who is most interested in the crowd numbers at his inauguration. He talked about it in tweets, he talked about it in meetings with Republican legislators, he talked about it to the CIA, he sent his press secretary to castigate the press about it, and he asked the National Parks Service to find photo evidence. Trump's ability to take offense, even at simple facts that few but him care about, is substantial. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Faith shows no interest in constructive evidence based discussion, so I've again removed her posting permissions in the Coffee House forum.
I truly regret having to moderate my own thread, but we have a thin moderator crew. Normally I'd recuse myself for a couple days and then return as moderator, but Faith has chased me from participation mode to moderator mode too often, and I'd like to actually participate in my own thread this time without haven't it trashed. If Faith would like to promise to stay out of this thread and begin her own thread she should let me know, in which case I'll restore her posting permissions. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: Nevertheless his interest in the numbers may be predominantly in the fact that the media misrepresented them,... The evidence from images like this indicates that the media accurately represented that fewer attended Trump's inauguration than Obama's first:
--Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
NoNukes writes: You specifically suggested that things like writing books and giving speeches were examples of those 'flaws'. No, I didn't call them examples of flaws, and I didn't say anything about books. I used the word flaw in reference to the value of political influence. I think it perverts not just the political process but everything associated with politics, even remotely. I did mention that as ex-president Obama can command large speaking fees, like $500,000 per speech. I do consider the great value of political influence to be a flaw in our system that causes vastly inflated prices for things political, like speeches by former politicians. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
NoNukes writes: What is your problem with the speaking fees Obama can "command" and how do those fees "perverts not just the political process but everything associated with politics"? Why should anybody except the folks who ask him to speak care about the size of Obama's speaking fees? I didn't say that speaking fees pervert anything. The size of the fees is a symptom, not a cause. It is the considerable value of political influence that is the cause. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Well, that was a chaotic week. Here are Trump-related events from the past week:
This is from memory - did I forget anything? Even just what I remember makes this the worst first week in presidential history. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Reagan was often described as the Teflon president because negative news and outcomes just didn't seem to stick to him. It looks like we again have a Teflon president, but in a different sense: with Trump it is facts that just seem to slide off. An editorial in today's New York Times, Can Donald Trump Handle the Truth?, sums up the problem pretty well:
quote: --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
The topic is the Trump presidency to be discussed in a rational and fact-based manner. I'll be asking those who can't abide this request to leave the thread.
--Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Tanypteryx writes: marc9000 writes: Here are a few of the Democrats; *Someone with an open fondness for a communist dictator like Fidel Castro (Bernie Sanders) wouldn't have gotten anywhere near a Democrat presidential nomination in the 60's. I suppose that is probably correct. I wasn't aware of his fondness for Castro. I have always thought Castro was an asshole and that communism is a shitty system to live under. I think this one from Marc is on-topic since the Republican corollary is that Trump has a troubling fondness for communist dictator Putin. Trump's rocky start continued last night when he fired his acting attorney general, a holdover from the Obama administration. She ordered the Justice Department to not defend Trump's immigration orders because they were likely illegal. She was a little vague, but she seems to believe that such actions would have required declaration of a national emergency. The Trump presidency will continue to run in turmoil so long as he continues to indulge his intemperate and impulsive nature. As he reacts with such outrage to every perceived slight like pictures of crowd sizes, one wonders how he will react in a true emergency. Legitimate cause for worry. --Percy
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