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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Straggler,
Straggler writes: Isn’t T=0 effectively the point at which time (and space) come into existence in the Big Bang? Time and space does not exist at T=0. That is the reason for the zero God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
ICANT writes: Either the universe has existed eternally.OR The universe began to exist. If it began to exist something had to create it whether it was Hawking's instanton, 2 branes hitting each other, God, or something else. None of those things make any sense to non-cosmologists. A universe existing forever is not understandable and neither is one popping into existence by itself. Something causing it to happen - your's or somebody else's god - does not help us either as it simply creates an infinite regress of what created the god. The question can not be answered. The concept of 'nothing' makes no sense to us. There is nothing outside the universe yet the universe is expanding into it. We do not have the tools to understand, but that's no reason to irrational invent a uncased, cause let alone grovel on your knees to worship it. That's pagan superstition.
Tangle writes:
Krauss is as rabid an atheist as I am, does he belive in a creator too? ICANT writes: Sure his nothing was relativistic quantum fields. Which is not A Creator is it? Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
Non sequitur.
If there is no God it would be an empty claim as you would just be dead. ICANT writes:
I couldn't care less what you accept.
But you want me to accept that the universe just 'is'. ICANT writes:
You have it backwards. The only evidence we have is scientific. There are lots of "holy" books that are every bit as reliable as the Bible and they all disagree so they're not evidence.
The question is how did it begin to exist. Zero scientific evidence. So the only evidence we have is the Bible. ICANT writes:
Since there are scientific errors on page one, it is not a reliable book. How many scientific facts would my Bible have to have recorded in it over 2000 years before it was known by science for it to be a reliable book?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
You start at a point on the time line and you move forward. You can not remove time like you can remove apples. You can not get back to "no time". You start with no time and you end up with no time."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes: None of those things make any sense to non-cosmologists. Hawking's instanton that he invented imaginary time for the instanton to pop into existence which would also require a vacuum. There is zero evidence to support the instanton so very few scientist accepted the hypothesis.
Tangle writes:
That was the Standard Theory until Hubble discovered the universe was expanding. A universe existing forever is not understandableEinstein believed in an eternal static universe so much he created his fudge factor instead of accepting the fact the universe had to have a beginning to exist. The universe having a beginning to exist required a creator. Tangle writes: There is nothing outside the universe I have been told that, But how do you know there is nothing outside the universe?
Tangle writes: That's pagan superstition. I don't believe in pagan superstition. Neither do I believe in an answer of "we don't know". We will just go on assumptions which I don't believe in either.
Tangle writes: Which is not A Creator is it? If it causes the universe t begin to exist it is. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi ringo,
ringo writes: You start at a point on the time line and you move forward. You can not remove time like you can remove apples. You can not get back to "no time". I never said anything about removing time. I did say T=0 is not a point on the time line. It is not a point anywhere. It is a statement that Time=Zero and you can not get existence of time out of Zero time. Just like you can't get an apple out of Zero apples. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi ringo,
You would still be dead.
ringo writes:
Good glad we got that settled.
I couldn't care less what you accept. ringo writes: The only evidence we have is scientific. Then would you please present any scientific evidence you have.
ringo writes: There are lots of "holy" books that are every bit as reliable as the Bible and they all disagree so they're not evidence. Could you present just one.
ringo writes: Since there are scientific errors on page one, it is not a reliable book. Could you be very specific and write down each one. Or at least give me one of those scientific error. I can find translation errors on page one but no scientific error. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
You compared time to apples and you talked about removing apples until you had zero apples. Clearly that does not work with time.
I never said anything about removing time. ICANT writes:
And you were wrong. I did say T=0 is not a point on the time line."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
So what caused the uncaused cause ICANT?
Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
The Book of the Dead, the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Iliad and Odyssey, the Tao Te Ching, the Edda, the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Tantras, the Qur'an, the Talmud, the Midrash, the Zohar, the Book of Mormon, Dianetics... and those are only the ones I've heard of.
ringo writes:
Could you present just one. There are lots of "holy" books that are every bit as reliable as the Bible and they all disagree so they're not evidence. ICANT writes:
Chapter one, verse two has water before light, verse two has light before sun and moon; verse eleven has plants before sun and moon....
ringo writes:
Could you be very specific and write down each one. Since there are scientific errors on page one, it is not a reliable book.Or at least give me one of those scientific error. ICANT writes:
You know as little about translation as you do about science, so your opinions on the matter aren't worth much. I can find translation errors on page one but no scientific error."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7
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Hi ringo
ringo writes: And you were wrong. How can you have a time line unless you have time? God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Tangle,
Tangle writes: So what caused the uncaused cause ICANT? I have not proposed an uncaused cause. Scientist is the ones that have done that. Imaginary time.instantion God particle pea sized universe I propose an eternal existing universe just not in the form we see it today.The Bible is a book that tells me how God took the existing energy and formed the universe and everything in it out of that energy. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
We don't "have" time like we "have" apples. How can you have a time line unless you have time?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
ICANT writes: I propose an eternal existing universe just not in the form we see it today.The Bible is a book that tells me how God took the existing energy and formed the universe and everything in it out of that energy. Where did that god come from ICANT? Where did the ,existing energy come from?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi ringo,
ringo writes: We don't "have" time like we "have" apples. Could you give me your definition of time so we can get on the same page as I think I am talking about one thing and you are talking about a totally different thing, or entity. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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