I Know That God Does Not Exist

I believe I said, or meant to say anyway, that He's not SCIENTIFICALLY detectable. Because He' s not physical. He' Spirit. Or maybe Mind would be the better word for the sake of clarity. Are there scientific tools to detect a mind? Don't think so. Does that mean minds don't exist? No, it takes other means than science to detect a mind. Such as having a mind in the ordinary case, or in the case of God, having a born-again spirit.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

OK, only by faith, which is very real to those who have it: "faith is the substance of things unseen, the evidence of things hoped for." So if you say God's only being knowable by faith really means he doesn't exist you are simply denying others' claims to know Him by a means you don't possess. It's therefore just your own need to disbelieve it that insists He doesn't exist when others say He does and they experience His existence. It's not proof in other words, you haven't proved that God does not exist.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You said you'd "seen butchery of the human body and spirit" by religion. You were not talking about wars. And unless you identify the wars, who fought them and why, although I have opinions about some of them, I have no idea what point you are trying to make, But my question was about what you claim to have "seen" of "butchery" of the human body and spirit. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I see. So much for communication.However, if you ever come to your senses, or sober up, or whatever the problem is, I'd still like to know what "butchery of the human body and spirit" you were talking about.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You said you'd "SEEN" butchery, and the way you talked about it suggested something personal, not wars.

I exonerate you from all responsibility for the knots in my head; I take care of my own knots.But the knots in your argument ARE your responsibility.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

From your Message 1243: You still want to claim you're talking about wars you've never personally seen? You really want me to accept that as what you meant? Really?Hint: I woule have supposed you were perhaps talking about circumcision or perhaps Female Genital Mutilation. Those you might have seen personally. As for butchery of the spirit, I might have supposes you meant any kind of belief in God. Perhaps.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Because it sounded like you were talking about personal experience, not historical events. You can't be talking about *MY* religion because historically those I identify with have been the victims of the brutality of other religions, and still are, all across the world. So I have to wonder just what historical readings you are talking about.And again, that original post doesn't sound at all like you are talking about history, but rather about personal experience: Will you agree with that much?AND if you really want to insist this is about history how about sketching out what you think each of those wars was about, who started it and why and so on. Just a line or two is all I'm asking for.

I had the impression you were trying to prove that no God exists. My mistake.Biblical revelation explains everything having to do with why people believe what they believe, but I don't expect you to accept that. It's something I learned on my way to Christian belief back in the eighties. For me it was an eyeopener but the secular world doesn't accept such things.So although the "vast differences" in religious experiences throughout history seems to you like evidence that none of it is true at all, to me it proves which is the true religion and why there are so many false religions, so that to my mind the fact of so many people believing in God IS evidence for God.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Sounds like a quote. Ayn Rand?Christ did not bring an evil religion and to say so is to commit a really serious slander of the best man who ever lived. There are of course evil religions, I could name some, there are even some that misuse the name of Christ. Which to my mind is merely evidence that Satan is hard at his usual work of defaming Him and misleading humanity.Speaking only for my Protestant faith I know of many people who repented of all kinds of crimes when they became believers, including me. I had to confess and repent of helping a thief and I paid back his thefts after I became a believer. I had to make up for other sins too. It is very common in times of true revival for the police to get hundreds of such confessions and acts of restitution for past crimes.I won't say there aren't evil things done in the name of religion and even in the name of Christ but those things prove the reality of Satan, not of God or of Christ.I'm not expecting this to be accepted. I know what I'm up against.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Don't see how you got that out of what I wrote but I certainly don't agree. Islam does teach bad things and without that impetus I think we wouldn't have any suicide bombers. As for people doing good things and ascribing them to their religion I don't see any reason offhand to assume they are wrong about that. Recently I've been following some Buddhist teachings and find them remarkably similar to biblical morality, such as loving one's neighbor as oneself and so on.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes, humanity has its problems, that's for sure, but none of the examples you gave have to do with any religion that I know of. And how ar4e you going to stop people from having what you consider to be irrational beliefs?Belief in communism itself, by the way, IMO, is one of the most dangerous irrational influences in the world these days, one that would bring down civilization completely, and it is often believed in with more religious fervor than any actual religion. Islam is another dangerous ideology. Both of these ideologies have no problem at all in knowing what to do with people who have what *they* consider to be false/irrational beliefs.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Don't know about the term "devotion" but I consider the human intellect to be "fallen" since Eden so that we make all kinds of mistakes in reasoning.

It's always best to give at least a partial quote from a link. I may or may not get to the link itself.The problem with what you are saying of course is that you trust your own fallen intellect to make such judgments, which is humanity's problem in general, and in this case you make them without any evidence except the absence of evidence. You ignore the evidence for demons and the other phenomena you list. Of course it's witness evidence which is all too easily discounted, especially if you've acquired an educated bias against the information. I used to have that bias myself.There's certainly plenty of mistakes in reasoning in our time, we don't have to go back to ancient times.But all this is why we have to be very careful not to jump to conclusions, and need to follow rules for determining the truth. Sometimes the rules are irrational. We never will be perfect.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I looked at your link. I used to enjoy reading about archaeological finds before I became a Christian. My eyes are too bad to read the whole thing. What is your point?ABE: If it's about dating, surely you know I don't accept dating that contradicts the Bible. It's the product of fallen intellect, while the Bible was given to us by God to avoid the problems of fallen intellect.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.