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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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The real problems are that Trump is clueless about macroeconomics and trade, and thinks everything is a zero-sum game. He can't conceive of a win-win.
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Thugpreacha writes: Perhaps he does not have bad motives, but it is clear that he never agrees with the establishment...perhaps because it is largely liberal and educate. The reason people disagree with so much of what Trump says is because he is lying. Most of his lies stand in direct contradiction to reality, i.e., that he lied is not in doubt, for example, that China pays the tariff fees. --Percy
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
that he lied is not in doubt, for example, that China pays the tariff fees. I think he says these things as sound bites to drum up his supporters to feverish heights. Like saying Mexico is going to pay for the wall. Its obviously a ridiculous concept on the face of itself. He must be saying these things as a sensationalistic tactic."Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I think he says these things as sound bites to drum up his supporters to feverish heights. He must think his supporters are as deplorable and totally out of touch with reality as he is. Edited by jar, : a ---> as
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Except for Boris who is almost as clueless, I think the other leaders already understand why America, not just the media, hate this orange narcissist so much.
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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quote: Worker threw exception | www.rawstory.com | Cloudflare Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by JonF, : No reason given. Edited by Admin, : Add blank lines between the paragraphs.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
He must think his supporters are as deplorable and totally out of touch with reality as he is. A lot of them are even worse... if that's even possible. "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Maybe he actually had someone read (since it's obvious il Donald can't really read himself) the 1924 Virginia Racial Integrity Act to him.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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or Stephen Miller read it to him ...
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
It is a mystery to me why the news media (all of it) continues to report what Trump says, since it has become very clear that he is usually lying, being misleading, or will soon say the opposite. This article from today's USA today, 'They mean business.' Trump tells G7 that Chinese trade officials called to restart talks, provides an example.
quote: Did Chinese officials actually call in the 24 hours before Trump announced this? Possibly. Or is he talking about a call at some other time? Possibly? Did the officials actually say they wanted to restart talks? Possibly. Is Trump just trying to keep the stock market from resuming its downward spiral when it opened Monday. More likely.
quote: If Trump had talked to Chinese President Xi Jinping he would have said so, so he did not.
quote: Possibly true. Who knows? My guess is that the story will change very soon.
quote: In these two paragraphs USA Today is just reciting some factual information.
quote: Did Chinese officials actually call? Do they want to make a deal? Who knows? Stay tuned, the story will change.
quote: Most likely Trump declined to be specific because he's not sure what he's going to make up in the future.
quote: Who knows what "the highest levels" are. What I think is that Trump needed some news to forestall a further stock market collapse, so since undoubtedly someone in the Chinese government is always calling someone in the US government, Trump believes he isn't lying despite creating an impression in people's minds that is contrary to the truth.
quote: Trump said that Chinese officials called and said they want to make a deal, but Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said that discussions "went back and forth." They're saying different things. And where is the Secretary of Commerce in this?
quote: Yeah, right. They called and threw Trump a life preserver just when he needed it. Okay, sure. Like I said, stay tuned, folks. This will change, because whatever truth is in it isn't much. --Percy
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
The real problems are that Trump is clueless about macroeconomics and trade, and thinks everything is a zero-sum game. He can't conceive of a win-win. That is the key to his failures. Trump has no clue how to actually negotiate. He was always in the dominant position of being the one to that sub-contractors were coming to, so he always was the one to dictate all the terms; when he's up against a co-equal, he has no idea what to do. From his normally dominant role, he can bully everybody as long as he would want to, because they all want to get a contract out of him. He is used to a zero-sum game in which he wins by everybody else losing. That is in direct contradiction with the goals of diplomacy and traditional parlimentary politics in which you try to arrive at some kind of compromises in which everybody wins something. Trump's mentality of "I can only win if you lose" completely short-circuits any possible negotiation. We also see a typical CEO tactic: create a crisis and then resolve it. E.g, there's a layout of a hotel lobby with a potted plant in a particular location. It's current position is a complete disaster, so you the CEO, the only one who can do it, move it less than a meter away and suddenly the crisis has been resolved, but only by your own incredible leadership. We see so many examples of this from Trump day after day. I think that Trump is proof positive that that old GOP trope, "Put a businessman in charge of the government; he knows how to run a business so he also knows how to run a government." is pure crap. While some skills are transferable, running a government is very different from running a business, especially in your business goals. Running a government exactly like a business has never been known to work well. For example, decades ago I practiced Aikido in which you blend with your opponent's energy (ie, motion, state of mind (we could "throw" people without even ever touching them)), combine them, and then move both energy systems within the same single framework (ie, around your own center) which inevitably results in leading your attacker "into a fall" (you never "throw" anyone, but rather you "lead them into falling"). When I started learning partner dancing, I immediately applied my Aikido training (mainly because that was my only background to get me through the turns in the warmup) and that tapped me very early into how to lead. However, as similar as they can be in principle and some levels of execution, the targeted end result is totally different: Ki (mind, spirit, life-force -- basically, virtually the moment the Force was ever mentioned I recognized it as Ki). In Aikido we lead your "partner" into a fall, whereas the Ki in partner dancing directs her around a common center. Same basic principles and techniques, but applied differently for diametrically opposed outcomes. So even though some Aikido skills and principles were transferable to dancing, treating a dance like a self-defense situation could only result in disaster. Just as treating government as a business can only result in disaster. Business is in the business of making profit by any means possible (hopefully legal). Government is in the business of managing resources for the benefit of the governed, which has very little to do with profit. Businesses will cut back on the services they provide in order to make more profit; government needs to provide those services as efficiently and effectively as possible. It makes business sense for Business to develop the attitude of screwing its customers as much as it can get away with; Government cannot do that. Government is not a business and must not be run as one.
ABE:Going bankrupt is a valid and much used business practice; Trump is very well practiced in going bankrupt. Bankruptcy is not a viable option for Government. And Trump's suggested solution of just printing more money is a non-starter. From the Weimar Hyperinflation (1921-1923) where that's exactly what the German government did, we know exactly what will happen, unlike that m.o.r.o.n Trump. I have a copy of a magazine graphic showing postage stamps from that period for sending a postcard: the price started at 10 Pfennigs and ended up costing over a billion (milliard) Marks. Cheap and stiupid tricks like that might work for a business, but not for a government. Donald J. Trump. Failed businessman. Failed president. Failed human. Edited by dwise1, : Lost the bubble, but got it back now. Completing the thoughts. Edited by dwise1, : ABE
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Breaking news: Trump lies again
That's actually a link to a Washington Post article about Trump's Q&A with reporters at the close of the G-7 conference. About those supposed calls from high-ranking Chinese officials seeking a deal it says:
quote: Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin called them "communications." I have no doubt that the governments of countries as large as the US and China are in constant "communications" at a variety of levels. Human psychology is interesting. Most Trump supporters recognize Trump's problems with truth and women and non-white people and truth and allies and how tariffs work and truth (he loves dictators, though), but they support him anyway. Trump is like the used car salesman who tells you the car will get 100 mpg and never need repairs and will have a resale value twice what you paid. You know he's lying, but you don't call him on it because he's also describing the great deal he's giving you. Only later, too late, do you discover that that, too, was a lie. Some people know in advance to give the used car salesman a wide berth, others not so much. --Percy
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
THe FEC has been a pretty toothless watchdog, but even that is too much for Moscow Mitch.
Thanks to Mitch McConnell, U.S. now has no functioning election commission:
quote: Edited by Admin, : Fix URL and correct spelling errors.
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