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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Well, it's out.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Full transcript available in many places, including Trump's phone call with Ukraine's president: read the full memorandum | Trump impeachment inquiry (2019) | The Guardian
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
disagree. Abdicating their constitutional responsibility is more likely political suicide. The impeachment will expose donnie and his GOP enablers.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Seems it is not an actual transcript.
Three Things: One Is Not a Transcript - emptywheelFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Yes, it is not a word-for-word transcript. We don't know exactly what was said.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
The White House accidentally emailed its Ukraine talking points to Nancy Pelosi
Click twice to read the talking points.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
Last night (Tues, 24 Sep 2019) on MSNBC, the official in charge of such things in the Obama Administration described the process -- as I recall, he was in charge of the Situation Room. Of course, he could only describe the process he ran and he does not know how Trump is doing it.
First, no recording of the actual conversation. That went out with Nixon "for some odd reason". You have a small team (from the intelligence community, as I seem to recall) listening in and taking copious notes about what's being said. Then they compare notes and write it up together -- or else each does an individual transcript and then they compare transcripts and notes and arrive at a consensus of a final draft, which the team leader reviews. Eventually, they come up with the final transcript, which is not verbatim but which they all agree conveys what was said. What's done under Trump is unknown. Previous presidents had a historian who maintained a transcript of every conversation the President had. One of the first positions that Trump got rid of was the historian, saying that he would depend on video and audio recordings for that. How that's working is anybody's guess.
ABE:That individual would be Larry Pfeifer, former Chief of Staff, CIA, talking about NSC staff working in creating the transcripts when he was in the Obama Administration. Right now, he's on the west coast feed of The Last Word with Laurence O'Donnell, MSNBC. I would assume that interviews with Pfeifer will show up on YouTube at some point. Edited by dwise1, : ABE
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
A column by former judge and now columnist Andrew Napolitano appeared at Fox News (In Ukraine call, Trump apparently personally and directly committed a crime) explaining why strong-arming a foreign government to do your campaign opposition research is a crime. A few excerpts:
quote: It's important to remember that this is just Trump's latest impeachable offense among many. The whistleblower complaint, as required by law for such complaints from within the intelligence agencies, was turned over to the Director of National Intelligence, Joseph Maguire, who instead of releasing it to Congress as required by law took it for review to the Justice Department that is now headed by Trump's personal lawyer, William Barr. Unsurprisingly, Barr's Justice Department ruled that Maguire didn't have to release the complaint to Congress because he didn't have jurisdiction, which is just absurd. That the Director of National Intelligence has jurisdiction over intelligence agency whistleblower complaints is as clear as day. Attorney General William Barr should be impeached, too, but I guess there's only so many impeachments a Congress can handle at one time. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Here's the text of the memo:
quote: --Percy
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Percy writes: A column by former judge and now columnist Andrew Napolitano appeared at Fox News (In Ukraine call, Trump apparently personally and directly committed a crime) explaining why strong-arming a foreign government to do your campaign opposition research is a crime. Republicans don't seem to understand the gravity of this situation. They were out in droves criticizing Democrats for starting an impeachment inquiry before reading the transcript of the call. What they can't seem to understand is that what Trump had already admitted to saying is an impeachable offense, as Napolitano correctly states. There doesn't need to be an explicit quid pro quo request since asking for dirt on a political opponent is a crime in itself. Making the request while withholding foreign aid is even worse since it is extremely unethical even in the absence of an explicit quid pro quo request. The impeachment inquiry was needed to see just how deep this goes. The fact that the White House appears to have been part of a potential cover-up is going to make this even worse for them. If this happens to be a one-off request then maybe Trump can get off the hook by apologizing and showing some sort of contrition. However, if this turns out to be just one part of an entire campaign to get dirt on Bid through Ukranian sources then Trump is in some very hot water.
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
As everyone is now aware, on July 25th of this year Trump had a phone conversation with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in which he is alleged to have used the threat of withholding promised military aid to pressure the Ukrainian President to investigate Joe Biden (a potential Trump presidential election campaign opponent) and his son. Here is a link to a PDF of the Whistleblower Complaint.
--Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Here is a transcript of the phone conversation that took place between President Donald Trump of the US and President Volodymyr Zelensky of the Ukraine. It is not a verbatim transcript as the White House does not record such calls. It is a reconstruction based upon the notes of a dozen or so people who listened in on the conversation. It was not revealed which person or persons performed the reconstruction.
--Percy
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
I've read the whistleblower's complaint at BOOM: Declassified Whistleblower Report Implicates Senior Trump Officials In Coverup. Seems to me that Giuliani is screwed too.
And maybe others, like whoever moved the "transcript" from the ready-to-circulate server to the extra-sensitive-classified server. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
JonF writes: And maybe others, like whoever moved the "transcript" from the ready-to-circulate server to the extra-sensitive-classified server. To be more precise, whomever ordered the transcript to be put on that server might be in trouble. I doubt lower level intelligence officers are going to get in trouble for following orders. If the cover-up is true, it blows a hole in their current defense that they did nothing wrong. Be prepared to hear the phrase "consciousness of guilt" repeated multiple times during your evening news broadcasts. If you think you did nothing wrong then you don't try to hide the evidence. Basic logic.
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