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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: So Percy in Message 3513 on the Trump Bashing Thread has it all wrong because he's just following the Democrat line, and so are others who keep insisting Trump was asking for "dirt on Biden." Quote from the White House provided transcript of the phone conversation between Trump and Zelensky:
quote: --Percy
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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There has not been lots of jobs under trump. Propaganda does not overrule facts.
Trump Claims the Economy Is the Best EverThese 11 Facts Tell a Different Story Tax cuts to the wealthy do not create jobs or help the economy. Trickle down is voodoo economics. Tax cuts to the wealthy actually cause a lowering of investments. I will try to explain this in terms even you can understand. Lower taxes for rich and corporations disenctivizes investments. Lower taxes allows corporations to over reward execs and allows them to bank money and inflate their stock value. None of those things equate to job growth or higher rewards for workers.With a higher tax rate corporations will not hold profits or pay execs exorbitant sums because they will not want to give the money to the government in the form of taxes. Instead they will spend that money on capital expenditures and human capital. This in turn lowers their profit and thus lowers their tax burden. This is basic economics. The history of taxation in this country bears this out. There is no evidence to back the claims of trickle down economicsNone. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The Biden reference came long after the favor request, as your dots indicate. Mulvaney did say it right. Trump was referring to the ONGOING investigation into the Democrats' interference in the 2016 election in asking for the favor. We weren't doing any investigation into Biden for him to refer to, and that was a completely separate part of the conversation, but there is an ongoing investigation into the 2016 campaign intereference, and since Ukraine had a part in that it makes perfect sense for him to ask for their help.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
LOTS more jobs under Trump according to the statistics I keep hearing.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Present the data.
Assertions mean nothing. Until you present data we will assume your assertion is not true. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sorry, not reading your link. What you are saying makes no sense. Jobs are created by businesses. Businesses always wqant to expand to increase profits. Businesses can't create jobs unless they have enough money to expand. Reducing their taxes makes this possible. What else would you suggest if you want to encourage businesses to expand and increase their number of employees as well as raise wages?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Also the thousands who attend Trump rallies are not "wingnuts," they are average American citizens. Everywhere he has a rally these tens of thousands show up, all energized because they now have a President who cares about them and the country as the Left does not. These represent the solid core of American patriots.'uts
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I can't read much but I can see that the top ten or so on the Google page for statistics on employment under Trump are all left wing and I am not going there. The first I found that gives a positive rating for Trump's economy is the White House:
U.S. Unemployment Rate Falls to 50-Year Low Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) released its monthly Employment Situation Report, which shows robust employment growth in September. Job gains are particularly noteworthy considering that the United States is in the midst of the longest economic recovery in its history. The Trump Administration’s pro-growth agenda provides job creators with the framework they need to expand their businesses and offer more opportunities for workers. Since the President’s election, the economy has added over 6.4 million jobsmore than the population of Maryland. Steady job growth in combination with sustained year-over-year wage increases are not only positive signs for the economy: They also improve workers’ quality of life and incentivize previously left-behind Americans to join the labor force. The household survey finds that the unemployment rate fell to 3.5 percent in September, marking the 19th consecutive month at or below 4 percent unemployment. The unemployment rate is the lowest it has been since May 1969over 50 years ago. And this one is about minorities: Americans of all backgrounds are experiencing economic success in the Trump economy. Issued on: September 10, 2019 ASSOCIATED PRESS: US Household Income Finally Matches 1999 Peak; Poverty Drops The Census Bureau says that median household income rose 0.9% in 2018 to an inflation-adjusted $63,179 from $62,626 in 2017. The poverty rate fell to 11.8%, the lowest annual level since 2001. That improvement reflects increased income over the past several years for many workers in low-wage jobs. THE WASHINGTON POST: For The First Time, Most New Working-Age Hires In The U.S. Are People Of Color The surge of minority women getting jobs has helped push the U.S. workforce across a historic threshold. For the first time, most new hires of prime working age (25 to 54) are people of color, according to a Washington Post analysis of data the Labor Department began collecting in the 1970s. Minority hires overtook white hires last year. Women are predominantly driving this trend, which is so powerful that even many women who weren’t thinking about working because they were in school, caring for kids or at home for other reasons are being lured into employment, according to The Post’s analysis. REUTERS: Tight U.S. Labor Market Shrinks Gender And Race Gaps To Record Lows A tight U.S. labor market and booming demand in industries with an abundance of female workers is drawing more women back into the workforce, helping to shrink the longstanding gap in the labor participation rate between men and women to the narrowest on record. Other parts of a report released by the Labor Department on Friday showed that the longest economic expansion on record is leading to improvements for workers who are often left on the sidelines. Not only did the unemployment rate for African Americans drop to a record low of 5.5% in August, it narrowed to being 1.62 times the white unemployment rate, This was the next one: A record 157,005,000 people were employed in June, the most since February and the 19th record of Trump's presidency, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported on Friday. sAnd the economy added a strong 224,000 jobs in June, well above the estimate of 160,000. The unemployment rate, the lowest in 50 years, ticked up a tenth of a point to 3.7 percent.
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So you have nothing to support your claims. Typical. Crawl back under your rock.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Troll
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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My Message 3038 gives quotes about the statistics that dispute yours. No comment?
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The conversation is not easy to follow, I recognize that, and even though Mulvaney did say everything that needed to be said I don't think he was clear enough to straighten out misimpressions that the Left had already run with. But it IS clear that he was not agreeing that Trump was doing a quid pro quo concerning Biden or the upcoming election, it was about the investigation that was already underway about the 2016 election in which the Ukraine was involved, and as I keep hearing on conservative talk radio withholding aid for lack of cooperation in such an investigation is standard procedure, which is also what Mulvaney said. He wasn't quite clear enough about it since what he said kept getting misapplied to the Biden part of the conversation. There was no quid pro quo about Biden at all.
Mulvaney wasn't clear enough probably because he didn't fully grasp what the confusion was in people's minds. But he said enough to make it clear that Trump was talking about corruptions involving the earlier election and not about Biden. Whatever confusion there also was about the Crowdstrike server, and apparently there was confusion about that due to Trump's having been given false information about it, nevertheless the mention of that server identifies Trump's subject as the earlier election and not the upcoming election. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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WITCHHUNT, The Story of the Greatest Mass Delusion in Americna Political History by Gregg Jarrett.
I've heard him interviewed and it sounds like this book covers all the issues and all the questions about the Muller Report and is thoroughly documented. I see at Amazon that Jarrett had written another book on the same subject, THE RUSSIAN HOAX: The Illicit Scheme to Clear Hillary Clinton and Frame Donald Trump Anybody here got the guts and the commitment to finding out the truth to read these?
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Well, I did check Jarrett's credentials. He is conservative, of course, but has most definitely had experience in law.
quote:There are always at least two sides to every story. I can't afford a book right now, though. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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There are always at least two sides to every story. I can't afford a book right now, though. Not clear: which side of the story are you referring to as your own? Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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