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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh, I understand religion quite well. Not only have I seen the result of religion's butchery of the human body and of the human spirit - \ What butchery?\ What religion?:
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Sure. It means your god doesn't exist. Because something which is not detectable (and will never be detected) is no different from something that doesn't exist. A difference that makes no difference is not a difference. I believe I said, or meant to say anyway, that He's not SCIENTIFICALLY detectable. Because He' s not physical. He' Spirit. Or maybe Mind would be the better word for the sake of clarity. Are there scientific tools to detect a mind? Don't think so. Does that mean minds don't exist? No, it takes other means than science to detect a mind. Such as having a mind in the ordinary case, or in the case of God, having a born-again spirit. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Are there scientific tools to detect a mind? Of course there are and they have been in use on non-human animals since 1875 and human animals since 1929.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
You say, "He's not SCIENTIFICALLY detectable." By that you mean he's only detectable by faith, is that correct?
If so, then "He" doesn't really exist.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
I bring up evidence because drawing conclusions contrary to the evidence is irrational. I bring up falsifiability because believing in things that are not falsifiable is irrational.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
You say you're "not sure"? Care to explain why you're not sure?
On the other topic, you don't like my description of your god, which, it seems to me, is common to the monotheistic faiths. You want me to show that "all ideas about" a deity are irrational. But I've already shown that the pagan thunderbolt-throwing, thread-of-life-snipping, chariot-of-the-sun-driving ideas of god are irrational. What idea of god is left? Is your god a twelve inch tall plastic doll invented in 1959 by Ruth Handler? In that case, yes, your "god" is rational, because Barbie does indeed exist.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
ringo writes: Sigh. You contradict yourself. You contain multitudes.
sarah bellum writes: I have never said otherwise. I have said that not finding something is no guarantee that it doesn't exist. At least we got you to admit that you can demonstrate that something isn't there by looking for it and not finding it.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
This is getting rather insulting. I've written a good number of posts describing the irrationality of all this deity stuff. Here's the latest one (from message 1735)
quote:If people want to read and respond to my posts, they should feel free to do so, but replies like "why won't you fill in my blanks" are just dodges by people who cannot muster coherent arguments.
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Sarah Bellum Member (Idle past 624 days) Posts: 826 Joined: |
Sorry I got the wires crossed.
Ringo is a bit incoherent, but I believe that Ringo has conceded that the belief in a deity is irrational. Ringo only wants to talk about the idea of a deity in and of itself, rather than a belief, and then discuss whether or not that idea is irrational.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
OK, only by faith, which is very real to those who have it: "faith is the substance of things unseen, the evidence of things hoped for." So if you say God's only being knowable by faith really means he doesn't exist you are simply denying others' claims to know Him by a means you don't possess. It's therefore just your own need to disbelieve it that insists He doesn't exist when others say He does and they experience His existence. It's not proof in other words, you haven't proved that God does not exist.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
What butchery? Israel vs CanaanThe Cirraean War (First Sacred War) Second Sacred War Third Sacred War Fourth Sacred War Muslim Conquests Frisian Uprisings The Crusades I thru VI The Umayyad Conquest & Reconquista French Religious Wars Thirty Years' War Taiping Rebellion Lebanese Civil War The Second War Of Keppel Sudanese Civil War I & II German Peasants’ War The Biafran Wars Buddhist Uprising - Vietnam The Dungan Revolt Croatian and Bosnian Wars + hundreds more What religion? All of them.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You said you'd "seen butchery of the human body and spirit" by religion. You were not talking about wars. And unless you identify the wars, who fought them and why, although I have opinions about some of them, I have no idea what point you are trying to make, But my question was about what you claim to have "seen" of "butchery" of the human body and spirit.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
You said you'd "seen butchery of the human body and spirit" by religion. You were not talking about wars. Who are you to tell me what I was or was not talking about?Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I see. So much for communication.
However, if you ever come to your senses, or sober up, or whatever the problem is, I'd still like to know what "butchery of the human body and spirit" you were talking about. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
The list is there. If that doesn’t define and provide enough butchery for you then so be it.
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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