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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Phat writes: Thus to summarize, what we can learn about God can only be spread through the human conduit. Wrong. You know no more about god than I or anybody else. All you can propagate is your own and other's ideas about god - ie Human propoganda. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Noted. But I would be interested to know if YOU believe that you talk with GOD when you pray and/or meditate? Do you believe that He really doesn't care what you pray about but only what you do? Do you ask yourself the same questions you ask me...namely how do you know its God? Or have you found a personal answer and belief regarding prayer? The major reason that I judge you to be divided from the club(s) I agree with is because you believe and think that simply by doing, any human can do the will of Jesus and in so answering the charge, become accepted....without surrendering or changing their basic fleshy behavior. And all I can say is that maybe God agrees with you and has something to teach me. I always called you the Apostle To The Atheists so I can see a reason God would extend His Grace even further than believers. You are still placing SOURCE over content. What is important is how you respond to the "conversations", how you react to the CONTENT of the talks. It must be CONTENT over source. That does Jesus tell you to do in those conversations? And that's really the difference. The extreme result of placing SOURCE over content is "Got Mitt Un". It is "The Peoples Temple Agricultural Project"; the Spanish Inquisition, the Russian pogroms, the cultural genocide of the 18th and 19th century and even continuing today. If all you get from the conversations is "Whatta good boy you are.", "Way to go!", "You get a gold star today!" then they are most likely harmless. If they make you feel better then they are good. If they make you do more for the least of these then that's even better. It's CONTENT over source.The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
You know no more about god than I or anybody else. You are assuming, of course, that God is not involved in the communion. After all, hypothetically how could I *know* that you had an insight from God that you keep to yourself? Your erroneous conclusions that it's all made up mythos lead me to believe that you don't, but quite frankly I don't know. The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Tangle writes: OK lets roll with this argument. You claim that all that can be known about God(as book character) and Jesus(as book character) are solely in the book and that's all the evidence that anyone has. I will argue that believers themselves are evidence but you will say its cobblers. So we disagree.
All you can propagate is your own and other's ideas about god - ie Human propaganda. Tangle, earlier up the thread writes: And if we go with jars argument as to human conduits, the most reasonable humans will solely carry the belief forward. The loons and heretics will all be dismissed. Science has nothing whatsoever to say about god. Loads of scientists believe in God.The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: But I would be interested to know if YOU believe that you talk with GOD when you pray and/or meditate? Again, since there is absolutely no wway I could ever know there is no reason to even speculate.
Phat writes: Do you believe that He really doesn't care what you pray about but only what you do? LOL. I pray about what I should do. That is nothing to know other than what I do and do not do.
Phat writes: Do you ask yourself the same questions you ask me...namely how do you know its God? No I don't ask that question since there is absolutely no way I could know if it was God. And that is important Phat, it is the CONTENT that is significant and not the source.
Phat writes: The major reason that I judge you to be divided from the club(s) I agree with is because you believe and think that simply by doing, any human can do the will of Jesus and in so answering the charge, become accepted....without surrendering or changing their basic fleshy behavior. And once again you simply misrepresent everything I have ever posted or said. The second part of that sentence, " become accepted....without surrendering or changing their basic fleshy behavior" has no meaning and is just silly word salad. It is not anything worth even a moments thought, an absurdity.
Phat writes: I always called you the Apostle To The Atheists so I can see a reason God would extend His Grace even further than believers. So sad Phat. How many posts here at EvC have you seen where I preached to any atheists? Think Phat. Who is it I do preach to?
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
since there is absolutely no wway I could ever know there is no reason to even speculate. But there is a way you can know...beyond a reasonable doubt. You just refuse to allow that Faith.
I pray about what I should do. That is nothing to know other than what I do and do not do. I do the same. And I hear no audible voice or voices. I get internal impressions....knowing what it is I should do in any given situation. Often these impressions challenge me and go against my feelings.
And that is important Phat, it is the CONTENT that is significant and not the source. For me, the CONTENT and THE SOURCE are one and the same. Content without source is not my belief.
phat writes:
The major reason that I judge you to be divided from the club(s) I agree with is because you believe and think that simply by doing, any human can do the will of Jesus and in so answering the charge, become accepted....without surrendering or changing their basic fleshy behavior.jar writes: And this is where we disagree. You have thrown the source away. You have gone with evidence and trashed belief. You are free to believe whatever fool thing you want, but those of us whom you call foolish are now calling you foolish for your choice. Keep doing what Jesus said to do, however, and He likely will have mercy on you and those whom you have taught that it is ok to remain atheists and agnostics. As long as they too follow your behavior, you all should do fine and be accepted by the One whom you persecute. The second part of that sentence, " become accepted....without surrendering or changing their basic fleshy behavior" has no meaning and is just silly word salad. It is not anything worth even a moment's thought, an absurdity. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: But there is a way you can know...beyond a reasonable doubt. And yet you never provide the method, model, mechanism, process or procedure that would allow someone to know.
Phat writes: For me, the CONTENT and THE SOURCE are one and the same. Word salad and demonstrably false.
Phat writes: And this is where we disagree. You have thrown the source away. You have gone with evidence and trashed belief. You are free to believe whatever fool thing you want, but those of us whom you call foolish are now calling you foolish for your choice. Keep doing what Jesus said to do, however, and He likely will have mercy on you and those whom you have taught that it is ok to remain atheists and agnostics. As long as they too follow your behavior, you all should do fine and be accepted by the One whom you persecute. Not even words salad; just silliness and misrepresentation. Truly pitiful Phat.
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dad Member (Idle past 1368 days) Posts: 337 Joined: |
quote:Thanks for the blasphemy and hatred of other peoples beliefs. I don't think you have any worries about moderation here. That puke apparently is accepted in a science thread.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I don't think you have any worries about moderation here. That puke apparently is accepted in a science thread. Yes, facts are acceptable in a science thread. And "blasphemy" can only exist in the minds of the weak. It has no reality in this universe. As far as hatred for your beliefs ... did that sneak in there somewhere? Gee. How in heaven's name did that happen? Factio Republicana delenda est.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
dad writes: Thanks for the blasphemy and hatred of other peoples beliefs. It's not hatred of your beliefs, particularly Creationism. It is pity and I will admit a certain amount of humor that there are still people who would spout such nonsense or believe such silly stuff.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 366 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
dad writes:
jar, why don't you sober up and learn that they don't teach evolution in schools. What people spout about evolution in schools is such nonsense as reptiles evolve into birds or believe such silly stuff as fish evolve into mammals. I will admit that there might be a certain amount of humor except for the fact that people die of drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments because evolution isn't taught properly in schools.
Thanks for the blasphemy and hatred of other peoples beliefs.jar writes: It's not hatred of your beliefs, particularly Creationism. It is pity and I will admit a certain amount of humor that there are still people who would spout such nonsense or believe such silly stuff.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And so far you have still never posted anything showing that evolution does not happen just as taught in the schools.
Creationism is simply stupid.
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Kleinman Member (Idle past 366 days) Posts: 2142 From: United States Joined: |
jar writes:
jar demonstrates the consequence of social promotion.
And so far you have still never posted anything showing that evolution does not happen just as taught in the schools. Creationism is simply stupid.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
LOL
And yet again, you fail to offer anything but nonsense. The CCoI is the greatest threat the US and maybe the world faces. It's truly pitiful and as a Christian, utterly embarrassing that so may Christians can be so totally divorced from all reality.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
Why don't you tell us how it "should" be taught? ... evolution isn't taught properly in schools."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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