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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Do you believe the earth is young? Do you believe the Flood happened? ringo writes:
That's what the mathematical and empirical evidence shows. So, evolution is only possible within the mammal "kind"."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
I asked what you believe. If you believe in classic creationist nonsense like created kinds, it seems reasonable to wonder what other classic creationism you're pushing. I've never done a scientific study of either subject."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
It's becoming clear that you have an interest in hiding what you believe. It took some doing to ferret out the fact that your ideas about evolution are thoroughly creationist-based.
I have no interest in telling you what I believe... Kleinman writes:
Science doesn't deal in proofs. If you have something that you can prove mathematically and empirically (that's what is called science), present your proof."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
If you're going to shoot yourself in the foot, at least take it out of your mouth first. ringo writes:
That's why your beliefs are pseudo-science. Science doesn't deal in proofs. No, science does not deal in proofs."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
And proofs. It doesn't deal in proofs. It certainly does not deal with fossil tea-leaf reading, phrenology, or astrology. Seriously, you didn't know that?"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Mocking science like that just makes you look worse.
What does your fossil tea-leaf reading ... Kleinman writes:
Science tells me that one or two experiments don't overthrow a robust theory like evolution. Somebody may have misinterpreted the experiments - i.e. you. If those experiments were as earth-shattering as you seem to think, there would be talk of Nobel Prizes.
... tell you about the Kishony and Lenski experiments? Kleinman writes:
It isn't "my" science. It's everybody's science. Or doesn't your science include experiments as well? And what you're talking about is a silver bullet. There are few of them in science. Edited by ringo, : Spellelling."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
And did Edward Tatum agree with your conclusions about created kinds? And Edward Tatum has already won the Nobel Prize for this in 1958. He talked about this in his 1958 Nobel Laureate Lecture. The only thing I've done is put mathematics to his idea."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Speaking of which, I see that you're a longtime member of the Evolution Fairy Tale forum. Me too! That's what happens when you are surrounded by your mutual admiration society."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Clearly nobody's interested in doing it the way YOU consider correct. They've been doing pretty well without your guidance. That's why these people in the fish evolve into mammals clique need to start listening to people outside their clique if they want to understand DNA evolution correctly."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
Not bragging, just stating a fact: science does not deal in proofs. Neither do plumbers. Neither do bus drivers. ringo writes:
Neither do politicians or con men selling bridges they don't own. Nothing to brag about. No, science does not deal in proofs. Science does not deal in proofs. You should have understood that before you claimed to know anything about science. Edited by ringo, : Fixed attribution"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
You're not making any sense. It isn't mathematics that treats infections and cancer. And the treatments that DO work are not discovered by mathematics. They better learn the way I do the math because it is the correct way. The fish evolve into mammals clique's method of doing the math fails to correctly explain how antimicrobial drug-resistance evolves and why cancer treatments fail. I wouldn't call that doing pretty well, especially for those suffering from drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
You're only hurting your own credibility by repeating that nonsense over and over again. It isn't a clique. It's practically everybody who has studied biology. Now the simple-minded muddlers in your fish evolve into mammals clique ... Even IF your math had any value (and it doesn't seem to have any) you have a responsibility to behave like an adult instead of a petulant teenager. Smarten up and talk science and leave your immature insults in the playpen."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
Yes, and you have no evidence for your claims.
Real science is based on evidence. dad writes:
You don't know what you think you know. If you knew the limits of science and what it is really all about you would know that. Edited by ringo, : Spellig."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
And yet they are the ones that can use their science for practical purposes and you can't. It is you and the rest of your fish evolve into mammals clique that has no real evidence"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
You haben't explained the computers yet. Who made them? Too bad you haven't enough smoke to cover your busted beliefs that you thought were sciencey."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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