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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
Science produced the computer you're looking at. My claim IS that science has no evidence for it's claims and basis for the claims."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
I don't think anybody believes you on that. I use my mathematics when treating drug-resistant infection"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
I think computers were designed using the same scientific principles used to formulate the Theory of Evolution. They're brothers. You can't have one without the other. Of course, if you think that the computer he is looking at evolved from fingers is evidence explains why they are called digital computers."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
If you're telling the truth you should be able to show us all of the papers you've written about your successful treatments.
Screw the math. Show us the results. Edited by ringo, : No reason given."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
So how did scientists invent the computer if they're as brainless as you claim?
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
As I said, science gets results. You keep saying that science knows nothing, yet it managed to produce the computer you say it on. Don't you understand how silly you sound? Do you think you're doing your God a favour by making His followers look like idiots? What does this have to do with origins or creation or evolution or the distant universe or the nature on earth in the past, etc?"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
Or the people who denigrate evolution aren't as clever as THEY think they are. Creationism is dead. There are a few crackpots still trying to resurrect it but they don't have a leg to stand on. It is just that the people who push the theory of evolution are not as clever as they think they are."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
That isn't what I asked you. I asked for YOUR papers. It seems a little odd that you'd be on a fairly obscure forum ranting about evolution when you supposedly could be showing physians how successful your method is compared to theirs.
There are lots of papers out there that show the benefit of combination therapy. Kleinman writes:
The point is: bring the results HERE. The results are there if you want to see it but you don't."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Why don't you post your thoughts instead of giving us a reading assignment? Food for thought."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
I've told you several times: They use the same methods. Why would the same methods work in one situation but not another? If you claim that a rock in your backyard is why science was able to get a ship to the moon, we would have to ask the connection."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
You are ranting. You keep repeating that silly mantra as if it meant something.
Who is ranting? I'm explaining the physics and mathematics of evolution to the fish evolve into mammals clique.... Kleinman writes:
Again, I'm not asking you for every reference to "combination therapy hiv". I'm asking you for evidence that YOUR ideas are more successful than the methods of the people who "don't understand the math".
Do the following searches:combination+therapy+hiv => 78,800,000 hits Kleinman writes:
Because that's what scientists do. And you want me to write another paper on the clinical use of combination antibiotics and drug-resistance? Why?"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
dad writes:
You haven't shown us any limits. There are limits to where stuff applies."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
No, your ranting about "cliques" doesn't have anything to do with any experiments.
At least my ranting explains the Kishony and Lenski experiments. Kleinman writes:
Again, that's not what I asked for. I want to see the studies where you show that your METHODS - not your explanations -are more effective at treating cancer, HIV, etc. than the methods used by people who supposedly don't understand the math. Your explanations have no value unless you get results.
That's not hard, I've published the papers that explain the Kishony and Lenski experiments. Kleinman writes:
You should definitely stop that silly rant if you want to be a real scientist. Shouldn't I be publishing papers about fish evolving into mammals and reptiles evolving into birds if I want to be a real scientist?"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Kleinman writes:
No such clique.
What experiments have the fish evolves into mammals clique ever explained? Kleinman writes:
Is English not your first language? Really? You don't think that combination therapy for the treatment of hiv works? I'm not questioning combination therapy. I'm asking for evidence that YOU have had better results treating YOUR patients according to YOUR ideas. Didn't you make that claim? A vague Google search ain't gonna cut it. I want to see your idea directly compared with the idea you denigrate - concrete clinical results."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Kleinman writes:
Well, practically everybody who has studied biology knows that something slightly like that happened but they wouldn't put it in such a childish way. And it's certainly no clique.
It's a group of people who think that fish evolve into mammals and reptiles evolve into birds. Kleinman writes:
Not near enough. You haven't demonstrsted that ANY of those papers support your position.
It's not enough that there are 78+ million papers and articles out there written by other researchers that show combination therapy successfully works for the treatment of hiv...? Kleinman writes:
For the umpteenth time, this is not about your mathematical model. This is about concrete evidence that your model works better - in real life - than the conventional model. You need clinical tests for that. How many references do you need before you will accept the mathematical fact of life of the multiplication rule?"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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