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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
What is it I have not sourced??? My experience with Liberal progressive people educated in the humanities is that their mind is made up and their ego will defend that position in the face of facts and sources because they believe that nothing is so, so clear that their fogging of the issues can not confuse other readers. They will attack the messenger.They will attack the sources. They will facts with feeling they will generate concerning individual cases. They will attack the motivations of the other side. They will attack with accusations of racism, misogyny, and evil. They will also refuse to admit they were wrong, and gang together in a "democratic" ridicule full of anger and hatred for the person if the truth seems to be on his side. Based on observation, what they mainly do is point out that you're not telling the truth.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Guns aren't the only tool for committing the crime of murder. You can be stabbed, strangled, or beat to death with a bludgeon as well, and a handgun is an appropriate tool in defending yourself against those attacks, as well. Or a necktie, I hear that that works just as well.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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The conversation stays on the gun as if it kills people, instead of comparing the 13% of Single Mothers in Britain who had illegitimate babies, and 60% of whom nevertheless work, with the sad situation in America where 35-40% of the Single Mothers do not work ... So in Britain, 60% of single mothers do work, whereas in America 40% of them don't? Well, that sounds like a stark contrast, to be sure, but just to put that into perspective, could you use your math skills to tell me what percentage don't work in Britain, and what percentage do work in the US?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
...no, doc... In Britain, 25% of the families are heaed by Single mothers.But these are mostly single women who have been divorced, 60% of them. Then, only half of the 25%, those single mothers, are on government subsidies. By CNN's Jack CaffertyMore than 100 million people in the United States of America get welfare from the federal government. 100 million out of 325 million. According to the Weekly Standard, Senate Republicans say that the federal government administers nearly "80 different overlapping federal means-tested welfare programs." This figure of 100 million people does not include those who only receive Social Security or Medicare The most popular welfare programs are food stamps and Medicaid, with the number of recipients in both these programs skyrocketing in the last decade. Food stamp recipients alone jumped from 17 million in 2000 to 45 million in 2011. And these 100 million people on welfare include citizens and non-citizens. Page not found – Cafferty File - CNN.com Blogs Contrasted to America, today, half the babies born are illegitimate, in spite we abort an equal number before birth. These illegitimate babies are supported by Welfare. Well, this appears not to be actually true. Also, if you're going to count Medicaid, then almost every British citizen is "on welfare", since the UK has a non-stupid healthcare system.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
And what you mean by "poor baseline for comparison" is that all the countries you didn't include didn't have a homicide rate proportional to their incidence of gun ownership. A quality you roughly defined as "being Western-style." Not at all. The countries were selected on the basis of having a Human Development Index which is "very high" according to UNDP. They are "western-style" by virtue of their affluence, and no other characteristic.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
So even if you use the worst number provided by people who are just as biased as me but in the opposite direction, gun use is a huge net positive. Or to put it another way, the Brady Center hates guns so much that they are totally cool with the population of a decent sized city getting raped and murdered every year as collateral damage in order to get what they want. And yet, you know, that is not what actually happens in countries with more stringent gun control laws. So maybe a more accurate statement would be that the Brady Center is totally cool with the things that actually happen when there are more stringent gun control laws, but would frown on the things that the author of this footling drivel imagines would happen if there were more stringent gun control laws.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
So disprove it. Try to remember that I've been to the UK a dozen times in the past two decades, all over the country, talked to citizens of Great Britain from all walks of life. How often do you visit the States? Try to remember that of our two countries, only one of them parks missile batteries on the tops of city apartment buildings and exposes its citizens to video surveillance any time they're outside of their homes - most of it privately owned and subject to no privacy protection whatsoever. Try to remember that stuff when you try to tell me that disarmed cops are worth not even being able to buy pepper spray, and that a disarmed people have nothing at all to fear from government intrusion into their lives. Contrary to what American loonies appear to believe, the US also has security cameras. Lots of 'em:
Market research firm IMS Research estimates that more than 30 million surveillance cameras have been sold in the United States in the past decade. Video surveillance alone is a $3.2 billion industry ... For some reason the citizens of this great and free republic haven't rid themselves of this monstrosity by shooting the evil cameras with their guns. I've never seen the problem with them myself, as I clearly have no right to privacy when I am in a public place, but however that may be it is clearly the case that all the guns in America put together have proved insufficient to ward off the grim cameras of doom. Perhaps we need more guns. Or bigger guns. Or more bigger guns. Yeah, that must be it. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Let me guess that you didn't bother to read any of the article beyond the quote I gave. The only drivel here is yours, as usual. As I told the truth, and the halfwit told a ridiculous and transparent lie, you would naturally say so. Being you, and all.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Not to mention that gun DEATHS are irrelevant anyway unless we know whether the person was the victim of a crime or the criminal being defended against. Also how many wrongful deaths by gun there are in relation to homicides by other means, also how many ATTEMPTED crimes were prevented by the potential victim's possession of a gun, which was the statistic I brought up earlier from Correia's blog post, whom Dr. A dismissed as a "halfwit" out of his abysmal immoral ignorance. No, because the halfwit is a halfwit. I was able to discern that by the way that he writes halfwitted things like a halfwit would.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Ah, I see. I call someone who is not a forum member a halfwit. You attribute "abysmal immoral ignorance" to me, a forum member, and describe me, a forum member, as "the halfwit masquerading as intelligent".
And "by all rights" I should be suspended? Your grasp on the rules of this forum seem to be about as shaky as your grasp on ... well, pretty much everything else.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Wouldn't a high homicide rate negatively impact one's rating in the Human Development Index? (Answer - yes it would, by depressing life expectancy, which is a term in the HDI.) It can't be that significant an effect --- America made the list. If you want no interaction at all, it's difficult to see what criterion for affluence we could use. GDP per capita? But skilled workers get killed in countries with high homicide rates. Damn.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I don't understand why you think there's justification for bracketing our sample around a specific range of "affluence" ... This is apparently only one of many things you don't understand about statistics.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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So, you admit, it's just cherry-picking. No, of course I do not admit that it is just cherry picking. There are two ways you can tell that I do not admit that it is just cherry picking; which we might describe as the a priori and a posteriori methods.
A posteriori, you can tell that I do not "admit it's just cherry-picking" because I have in fact never done so.
A priori, one can deduce that I would not "admit it's just cherry-picking", because I am sane and do not say crazy things.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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If you do not know what "cherry-picking" means, I suggest that you look it up. Until you have done so, you could save yourself some embarrassment by not using the phrase.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Now neither he nor I are genuinely comparing gun restrictions to the above hypothetical regarding cars. Well indeed. So this is the point at which I would say: yeah, but "imagine if" we were discussing the subject that we're actually discussing. Also when we're talking to creationists maybe we could discuss reproduction with variation subject to natural selection rather than the construction of a 747 by a whirlwind sweeping through a junkyard. That would be nice. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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