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Message 1790 of 5179 (690600)
02-14-2013 2:36 PM
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02-14-2013 2:11 PM


Re: Wow!!!
Ok I can't let this pass because it is utterly ridiculous and actually stupid.
Then you stated that the British troops were to retrieve the (King's) powder. When the article plainly states it was provincial powder that had been seized. Provincial means local providence.
Either you know nothing about colonial US history or you are trying to pull a fast one.
Massachusetts was royal colony. Its governor was appointed by the British government. Its legislature served at the pleasure of the British government. All Massachusetts provincial property was royal (Kings) property.
You might want to do some research on the types of colonies. Here is a head start. The three types were, Royal, Charter and Proprietary.
Care to try again?
Sure I do.
It can refer to a King or a Queen or some other supreme ruler.
It can refer to a person who has supreme power or authority.
It can refer to a group of people or a State having supreme power or authority.
In my case I was refering to the one where a person has supreme power and authority to keep and bear arms. Due to the fact that it was purchased by the lives and blood of thousands of people to free themselves and us from British rule and oppression.
Which they preserved with the second amendment to the Constitution.
The US and actually no countries recognize the concept that an individual has sovereign rights. So your argument for individual sovereign rights has no support.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 1816 of 5179 (690828)
02-16-2013 1:09 PM
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02-16-2013 11:30 AM


Re: Self-defence
It is infringing on my right to be able to face the enemy with equal weapons.
Please show where this is a right.
Courts over the years have been stacked with liberal judges and yes they have tried to change the Constitution.
Evidence? Antonin Scalia is a liberal?
At the time the second amendment was written the Arms of the people were to be the same as the military so the local militia was equipted just as well as a standing army.
The peoples arms were not to be those of the military. Show this is true or retract. Join a well regulated militia and you can have access to those arms too. Why are you making our argument for us?

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Theodoric
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Message 1824 of 5179 (691155)
02-20-2013 10:06 PM
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02-20-2013 9:02 PM


Re: Self-defence
I posted earlier the duties of the Court and nowhere in it did I see the authority given to interpret the Constitution.
And with that you would be going against 220+ years of US history and jurisprudence. Tell me how that works for you.

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 1826 of 5179 (691158)
02-20-2013 10:41 PM
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02-20-2013 8:48 PM


Re: Self-defence
And those writings have nothing to do with US law or the Constitution. They were propaganda pieces written to support the ratification of the Constitution. Yes they are important writings of some of the founders, but they are by no means accepted as a final authority.
You want to us Alexander Hamilton as support for your views. What about when he disagrees with you? Do you just ignore that?
quote:
Federalist No. 78 discusses the power of judicial review. It argues that the federal courts have the duty to determine whether acts of Congress are constitutional, and to follow the Constitution when there is inconsistency. Hamilton viewed this as a protection against abuse of power by Congress.
Finally what does what you quote from Hamilton have to do with what Dr. Adequate had to say about Hamilton not supporting a Bill of Rights.

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Message 1845 of 5179 (691226)
02-21-2013 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1840 by Faith
02-21-2013 9:15 AM


Re: Self-defence
American Revolutionary War.
Do you know how the colonists won the Revolutionary War? Indifference and lack of support in England and foreign intervention.
The war would not have been won with out the arms, troops and sea power of the French Empire. Yes, you owe your freedom to the French Monarchy. Personal arms had jack shit to do with winning the Revolutionary War.

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Message 1853 of 5179 (691275)
02-21-2013 6:15 PM
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02-21-2013 6:03 PM


Is there a point you are trying to make about the Battle of New Orleans. Please make it. I don't watch videos to try to glean someones argument.

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Message 1874 of 5179 (691601)
02-23-2013 9:59 AM
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02-23-2013 9:45 AM


So you are now retracting all of your previous arguments?

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Theodoric
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Message 1922 of 5179 (692607)
03-05-2013 2:47 PM
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03-05-2013 2:01 PM


Re: ...facts are the building blocks of a sane reality...
All of his charts and graphs are worthless. He provides no source data for them and he hosts them on his own site. There is no reference as to who created them or what data they are based on.
Without sourcing he isn't even worth responding to.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 1927 of 5179 (692741)
03-06-2013 11:39 PM
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03-06-2013 10:25 PM


Re: ...facts are the building blocks of a sane reality...
Still not providing any source info, so still not even worth looking at.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 1942 of 5179 (692822)
03-07-2013 5:34 PM
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03-07-2013 5:25 PM


Re: ...facts are the building blocks of a sane reality...
It is clear that punishment serves the interest of correcting behavior in every case where it is so used from our own childhood forward.
Show evidence that punishment is effective in correcting a childs behavior.
One or two studies will suffice.
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

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Message 1948 of 5179 (692832)
03-07-2013 7:53 PM
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03-07-2013 5:57 PM


Re: Militias could always be called to duty by the highest authority...
I thought you said you could change a magazine in .043 seconds or something like that.
Your earlier argument was that banning high capacity magazines was stupid because you could change them so quickly. Now you need 30 rounds because you can't change them quickly?
Could you please be consistent in your arguments?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 1952 of 5179 (692836)
03-07-2013 8:18 PM
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03-07-2013 8:16 PM


Re: Militias could always be called to duty by the highest authority...
Proving once again all you are is bluster.

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Message 1953 of 5179 (692839)
03-07-2013 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1949 by ICANT
03-07-2013 7:55 PM


Re: Old ground.
Can you name me 1 State that has a Militia that is composed of all men from 18 to 45 years old that meets twice a year for training?
That is what constitutes a State Militia.
You do realize laws have changed since 1792. Your definition does not come from the Constitution but from laws passed in 1792. One of those laws
quote:
provided for the authority of the president to call out the militias of the several states, "whenever the United States shall be invaded, or be in imminent danger of invasion from any foreign nation or Indian tribe."[3] The law also authorized the President to call the militias into Federal service "whenever the laws of the United States shall be opposed or the execution thereof obstructed, in any state, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, or by the powers vested in the marshals by this act".[4] This provision likely referred to uprisings such as Shays' Rebellion. The president's authority in both cases was to expire after two years.
So you actually seem to be advocating the nullification of US laws and sedition.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 1956 of 5179 (692850)
03-07-2013 10:45 PM
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03-07-2013 8:16 PM


Re: Militias could always be called to duty by the highest authority...
If I am firing at you with my 30.06 you will be past 100 yards from me and at that distance it makes no difference how fast you can run. I can reload and fire before you cover 15 yards.
What is the manufacturer and model of this rifle? How quickly can you fire a 30 round mag and stay on target?
It takes 1 second to change a magazine.
Bullshit. It takes that long just to chamber the first round.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 1962 of 5179 (692883)
03-08-2013 11:22 AM
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03-08-2013 11:09 AM


Re: Old ground.
Are you really this dense?
You are destroying your own arguments.
Now can you name me one State that has a Militia that is composed of all men from 18 to 45 years old that meets twice a year for training?
As you stated previously in this same post, this was replaced by the militia act of 1903. The definition you use is no longer legally valid.
You do realize the Militia Acts of 1792 were a pair of statutes enacted by the second United States Congress in 1792. They were not and never have been a part of the Constitution as well as the act of 1903.
Yes, do you?
Your definition is not in the Constitution so what is your point?
Now can you name me one State that has a Militia that is composed of all men from 18 to 45 years old that meets twice a year for training?
How could I name something that by definition does not exist?
Edited by Theodoric, : own not won

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