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NoNukes Inactive Member
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and that this would fill the second amendment qualifications for the formation of a well regulated militia. You mean the constitutionally described militia of the Several States that is discussed in the Article 2? The one that the president is the command-in-chief of? Or are you talking about the fantasy militia gun nuts think we ought to have just in case the federal army attempts to march down one of the various Jefferson Davis Highways.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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How is this a a good argument? Of course we are going to call the police, that is how a civilized society works. There are so many fails with this argument. I friend who is supposed be an atheist(he also hunts ghosts), posted this on facebook. I asked him how it has anything to do with the current debate. He told me it speaks for itself. I have never had anyone break into my house. I know of only one person that had a break in while they were home. So how is having a loaded handgun at the ready going to help me? Isn't there more of a chance of a horrific accident then me actually protecting my castle from the invading hordes? Anyone able to express why the ammosexuals would think this argument is helpful to them in any way?CS? Yah got anything? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9517 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
..and, of course, in the UK, we don't call someone with a gun either and somehow we get by.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
How is this a a good argument? Of course we are going to call the police, that is how a civilized society works. The argument appears ridiculous because you are not channeling the spirit of a gun advocate. Gun advocates will tell you that the police will arrive well past time to shoot so you need to be the one hanging out in Starbucks or the bar, or the DMV with your BFG at the ready. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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ramoss Member (Idle past 643 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
And in further gun news, a 14 inch howizer was fired at a gun show, damaging a house 3 miles away.
http://freakoutnation.com/...se-from-a-gun-show-3-miles-away
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vimesey Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Did they seriously fire a live shell, or was this a freak accident with some sort of blank ?
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
It was intentional.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
For crying out loud !
Clearly there is no amount of damage, no potential loss of innocent life, which is too great a price to pay, for a pretty enough bang from a gun for these muppets ! Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Apparently it wasn't a live shell, just a big chunk of metal flying at several hundred miles per hour.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Well, this is interesting.
Bad Guys With Guns Hold Up Patrons Outside Gun Ranges, Take Their Guns Police are asking for the public's help tracking down the second suspect responsible for robbing gun range customers of at least nine weapons and shooting a 67-year-old man. See, if you've ever wanted to know how to tell a good guy with a gun from a bad guy with a gun, here it is: the bad guy is the first guy to take his gun out and point it at the good guy, who is then helpless.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1314 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined:
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I don't think death is a suitable punishment for any crime. But these are not punishments for crimes. Nobody was convicted, no punishment was applied
You listed a bunch of cases where people were shot dead, by gun carrying civilians. It seems to me that the person with the gun acted as judge, jury and executioner.They determined the guilt and handed out the punishment. Yes, because people have a right to defend themselves, even with lethal force if necessary.
So do you think lethal force (i.e. Death) is suitable punishment for-Burgalry -Shoplifting -Dangerous driving -Carjacking -Threatening violence If so, why don't you campaign for it to bee written into law?If not, You must be against Joe Public having the capacity to administer this punishment
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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And in further gun news, a 14 inch howizer was fired at a gun show, damaging a house 3 miles away. Stupid homeowner should have had his own howitzer to protect him. That's how it works, right?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
So do you think lethal force (i.e. Death) is suitable punishment for I just said, and you quoted: I don't think death is a suitable punishment for any crime.
You listed a bunch of cases where people were shot dead, by gun carrying civilians. It seems to me that the person with the gun acted as judge, jury and executioner. They determined the guilt and handed out the punishment. Then you don't know what any of that means. Its called self-defense. There is no judge, no jury, no executioner, no determination of guilt, and no punishment. Do you know anything at all about self-defense? Its a fundamental human right.
If so, why don't you campaign for it to bee written into law? What, self-defense? It already is.
If not, You must be against Joe Public having the capacity to administer this punishment Wow. You really think that people should be unable to defend themselves? That's fucked up.
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