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NoNukes Inactive Member |
how did such a hothead ever get the right to own a gun in the first place? Because there is no 'hothead' screening for purchasing a gun?
fail to get enough training to deal with such things without resorting to murder. Really? There is some kind of mandatory anger management course that we all go through?
Murders usually result from long-term grievances. You just made up that stat, didn't you?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I'm back to simply not trusting statistics. I can't analyze them myself and even from the discussion between you and HBD it appears there are just too many ways to get things wrong whether fabricated or not. Amazing tranformation. All it took was showing you that your own statistics were nonsense.
Is the lack of good statistics REALLY the fault of the NRA somehow? I don't trust statements like that either. You don't need to trust such statements. You should be able to find out the truth yourself. If you are more interested in finding out the truth than in maintaining plausible deniability doing searches for the CDC and Jay Dickey might be enlightening.
Then you ask how I can support my convictions without statistics? Well, I do what I can along these lines: The second amendment does not prevent enacting gun control measures. The real problem with the rest of your explanation is that there are statistics and they aren't in favor of your position. Those stats also tell us that your anecdotes aren't worthwhile. I appreciate the insight into your thinking. I especially enjoyed the belittling of positions you disagree with. Don't ever ask for respect again.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
OK I'm going to apologize for losing my temper at you, NN, I didn't see your post. No harm, no foul.
You said nothing substantive that could be answered. That's right. You have no answers. What should I make of an excuse for not believing in statistics that says that you believe it is possible that the statistics might be found to support your point? Doesn't that demonstrate a non objective viewpoint? Did you take my suggestion to research the NRA's action is suppressing research or was that too non-substantive to bother with.
for your trashing of what I thought was a perfectly good post Neither of us are not above criticism. If you don't anyone to point out what seem to be flaws, post to your blog. I promise that I won't even see it there.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
We're scattered all over the nation, we're everywhere. Uhm, who is this we? You don't have any guns. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I noticed that the District of Columbia is by far the highest for gun murders/capita (an extreme outlier for sure). DC is interesting because the gun laws are strict in the district but pretty lax in some of the surround areas. The gun laws are strict in an attempt to impact crime, but that strategy simply cannot work in DC. Still, I'll bet far fewer ordinary people are shooting their nieces when they find them in closets or shooting boyfriends in bedrooms when their daughters lie about not knowing them.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Every time this subject comes up, which is usually when some crazy person kills a bunch of people, it's always the NRA guys, or people supposedly representing NRA thinking Because the NRA always has something to say when the subject of gun control is brought up? The NRA injects themselves into the discussion just as do those in favor of gun control. The NRA is essentially the 'Gun Institute' for the gun manufacturing industry. Most of their money comes from the gun industry. So when the public or the media deals with the topic of gun control, for whatever reason, the NRA is going to demand to be interviewed. If those guys did not get interviewed, would you not then be complaining that it's only the politicially correct, gun control freak panty-waists who get interviewed? Your question makes no sense. It certainly does not demonstrate any particular bias in media coverage that the NRA gets a chance to speak their minds. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
The REASON the NRA gets into it is BECAUSE of the attack on gun rights that always follows on a shooting by a madman. Then your question about why the NRA is interviewed can be seen as quite inane.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
and he information about that Congressman is that he was instrumental in preventing funding of a particular research bill ON THE GROUND THAT IT WAS POLITICALLY BIASED. Assuming that to be true, yes. Was the research in fact politically biased? Is that really the best research you could do, Faith. Are you aware that the former Congressman Jay Dickey has completely reversed his position on the issue? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Yes it is YOUR side that tries to shut up MY side when these discussions get going, not the other way around. Sure. And according to you, one technique seems to be interviewing NRA spokespeople.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I WAS READING THE LINK YOU SUPPLIED! No, you weren't reading any such thing. I deliberately did not give you a link to Jay Dickey or the CDC because I felt doing so would simply give you a chance to call my source biased. Instead I gave you some keywords and invited you to do some research on your own.
I'd better get off EvC for a while or I'm going to say something I'll regret. What you did post was certainly wrong enough. Why not go for the big money. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Yes you are right I did look him up. Thank you. Your honesty is refreshing.
What I found was Wikipedia. You want to complain about what it said about him? Nope. I have no complaint about the wikipedia article. My only complaint would only be addressed to your ridiculously one-sided summary.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
. If the research was politically motivated then you don't go back on your opposition to it, you propose better research. No, but if instead you merely took that position because you were an NRA shill, then recanting would be the right thing to do.
quote: Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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I've come to the conclusion recently that the entire US government needs to be impeached. All of it. Surely that's a rant for another day. In the meantime, trying to impeach Jay Dickey would be a bit pointless. He's no longer a member of Congress.
But who says it WAS valuable work Jay Dickey said that. One good think about wiki articles is the footnotes to more authoritative sources. In this case footnote 5 is a pointer to an editorial written by the former Representative.
You're just another gameplayer here, trying to find some way to trip me up. I'm not going to read all of a Wikipedia article... I'd have to say that you played yourself. You did your own research, picked out the article, read what you thought was helpful and posted what turned out to be a quote mine. Yet somehow your error is my fault.
I even suspect somebody added the bit about valuable work I sometimes suspect that people have made changes to wikipedia during debates, but rather than announce such an look like a paranoid lunatic, I simply check the revision log. It would take 5 seconds worth of work to check that because wikipedia records revisions and their dates to prevent malicious editing. In this case, the article has not been edited for months. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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The spirit of the question is why the NRA is always ATTACKED at these time That's not what you asked, but here is an answer to that question. Perhaps he NRA has earned the negative reputation they have on this issue. I noticed that you yourself found a list of possible gun control measures worth consideration although you did not commit to any of them. Most people, including most gun owners find the list mostly reasonable. However the NRA opposes all of those measures and all gun control legislation. I believe the primary reason for that stance is that the NRA spokespeople primarily represent gun manufacturers rather than the gun owners in general. Gun owners are not some monolithic block. Only the most extreme gun owner is totally on board with what the NRA advocates.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
What happens is that the loud anti-gun rhetoric does scare the gun people and that's why there is always a run on the gun stores in the wake of these tragedies. 'Anti-gun rhetoric' apparently means any talk at all about gun control regulation, however rational. Given that it's pretty much impossible to do anything about the run on gun stores. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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