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NoNukes Inactive Member |
If you're going to keep a gun for protection, you'd damn well better keep it ready to shoot first - and if you do, it's just as ready to shout you. Then it is clear where we disagree. Your suggestion is inane. It is only understandable if you are taking on the mindset of an idiot, which is what you claimed to be doing a while back. If you are going to keep a gun around for protection, your first priority must be dealing with the situation when there is no crook around given that such is the situation you deal with all of the time. You are never going to get to shoot a crook if you kill yourself. If instead, your plan is to outdraw the crook, then going into your purse is likely a loser. The gun needs to be in your hand. Presumably, your child cannot get it if you are holding it. And of course we can extend this further. In hand, round chambered, safety off, hammer pulled back etc. ad ridiculous. Of course, not every confrontation happens in this way. Having a gun in the purse, with reasonable safety precautions taken which were not in this case, may be of use in some situations other than a quick draw. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : Your vs You are. Grrr Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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NoNukes writes: Then it is clear where we disagree. Your suggestion is inane. It is only understandable if you are taking on the mindset of an idiot, which is what you claimed to be doing a while back. Ringo will have to confirm, but I think he's just describing what extrapolating from the gun-nut mindset leads to. You seem to think it as absurd as he does. --Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Ringo will have to confirm, but I think he's just describing what extrapolating from the gun-nut mindset leads to I find Ringo's extrapolation more than a little bit cartoonish, Peacemaker Percy.Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
http://www.ktuu.com/...apparent-accidental-shooting/31404044
quote: So when do accidents become negligent behavior? This was posted on facebook by Jim Wright: Update Your Browser | Facebook The comments are instructive. and so it goes and so it goes Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Definitely negligence and almost certainly either a lie or a gun that was tampered with.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Definitely negligence and almost certainly either a lie or a gun that was tampered with. Either the lie or the tampering ought to imply criminal negligence. But there seldom seem to be any legal consequences for parents in these cases. Usually we hear remarks from the local constabulary about how the parents were good law abiding gun owners.Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yup. And that there was an automobile accident.
Willful ignorance is endemic.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
Ah, but there are so many other things you need to do with your hands. Two aren't enough as it is without devoting one entirely to self-defence. For practical purposes, we have to keep the gun easily accessible and ready to fire but not actually "in the way". Unfortunately (or fortunately, for the Darwin awards) the need for self defence also makes the weapon easily accessible to your irresponsible three-year-old.
If instead, your plan is to outdraw the crook, then going into your purse is likely a loser. The gun needs to be in your hand. Presumably, your child cannot get it if you are holding it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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NoNukes writes:
We're talking about gun ownership in the USA. Cartoonish is a given.
I find Ringo's extrapolation more than a little bit cartoonish, Peacemaker Percy.
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frako Member (Idle past 334 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
vDefinitely negligence and almost certainly either a lie or a gun that was tampered with. It could have been one of the first revolvers that was ever made they where notorious for going off if dropped. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It could have been one of the first revolvers that was ever made they where notorious for going off if dropped. Which is why you always left an empty cylinder under the hammer. It still can not be an accident but definitely is negligence. Most likely though still a lie.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
For practical purposes, we have to keep the gun easily accessible and ready to fire but not actually "in the way". In short, you are conceding 'readily accessible' to be whatever the idiot parents decide. Well that's wrong. A sane definition of readily accessible would include loaded with a functioning safety such as a grip safety. Or with a biometric detection system. Or without a bullet in the chamber. The amount of compromise required with each of those options is a good tradeoff[1] between your own safety (and that of the innocent people around you) and whatever crime prevention protection can reasonably be expected from having a loaded gun in your pocketbook, yet not even on your person much of the time. [1] A good tradeoff after having made the likely bad decision that a gun in the purse is a good idea in the first place.Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... A sane definition of readily accessible would include loaded with a functioning safety such as a grip safety. Or with a biometric detection system. Or without a bullet in the chamber. ... Or you could self impose a practice of having the gun in one holster without ammo and a quick-load ammo pack on the other side: you draw both and assemble as you hold the pistol with both hands to fire. The gun by itself is then incapable of misfire. The ammo pack is also incapable of firing on its own nor when dropped (iirc). Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Too funny.
Have you ever tried that RAZD?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Curiously it was suggested to me by a gun instructor who practices it.
Certainly you go thru the same motions when you reload using quick-load systems, yes? Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : ,.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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