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ringo
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Message 3520 of 5179 (759967)
06-16-2015 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 3516 by Jon
06-16-2015 7:14 AM


Re: Another one bites the dust.
Jon writes:
But that's because people aren't risk-reward analyzing machines;
Sure they are. They're just bad at it.
Jon writes:
Telling someone they are wrong to own a gun for protection isn't any more likely to get them to give up their guns than telling someone else they are wrong to drive for pleasure is going to get them to give up their wheels.
The whole issue is a pointless waste of time. Energy is better spent making guns and gun storage safer, making neighborhoods safer so people feel less need for guns, and so forth.
You contradict yourself. If you can't convince people that guns are dangerous, how can you convince them to buy safer guns?
Edited by ringo, : Changed "can" to "can't". That would have been confusing.

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ringo
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Message 3540 of 5179 (760091)
06-17-2015 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 3525 by Jon
06-16-2015 6:46 PM


Re: Another one bites the dust.
Jon writes:
A lot of the safety features on cars aren't plainly apparent to consumers. But people still buy cars with safety features because it's just a reality that that's how cars are made.
It's also a reality that people replace their cars every few years but their guns can last a lifetime. The millions of unsafe guns already on the streets would take generations to work their way out of the system.

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ringo
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Message 3542 of 5179 (760096)
06-17-2015 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 3541 by Jon
06-17-2015 3:34 PM


Re: Daily Vehicle Deaths
Jon writes:
You're trying too hard to miss the point, which is that people often engage in risky behavioreven when the risks are well known.
The point that YOU seem to be missing is that gun-lovers DON'T know the risks well. In fact, they DENY the risks. What we call risks, they call benefits.

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ringo
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Message 3544 of 5179 (760099)
06-17-2015 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 3543 by Jon
06-17-2015 3:45 PM


Re: Another one bites the dust.
Jon writes:
I don't think my proposal for safer guns has anything to do with guns 'on the streets'.
Then what the @#$% are you talking about? What's the point of having safer guns if it isn't where the guns are?

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ringo
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Message 3547 of 5179 (760105)
06-17-2015 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 3546 by Jon
06-17-2015 3:52 PM


Re: Another one bites the dust.
Jon writes:
The mother who buys a gun and sticks it in her purse.
The father who stores a gun in his nightstand.
The question is: Why would they buy a newer, safer gun to replace the ones they already have?
Jon writes:
In fact, I'm talking specifically about the guns involved in accidental shootings that improved gun safety would address.
But "improved gun safety" will NOT address anything about the guns already in the purses and nightstands.

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ringo
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Message 3561 of 5179 (760178)
06-18-2015 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 3545 by Jon
06-17-2015 3:49 PM


Re: Daily Vehicle Deaths
Jon writes:
ringo writes:
The point that YOU seem to be missing is that gun-lovers DON'T know the risks well.
And they don't need to; they're irrelevant.
That's just stupid. OF COURSE people need to know the risk in EVERYTHING they use.

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ringo
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Message 3562 of 5179 (760179)
06-18-2015 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 3549 by Jon
06-17-2015 5:25 PM


Re: Another one bites the dust.
Jon writes:
I still think improved gun safety is worthwhile.
Of course it is, but the best way to improve gun safety is to learn the rule you teach your children: "If you see a gun, don't touch it."

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ringo
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Message 3566 of 5179 (760184)
06-18-2015 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 3565 by Jon
06-18-2015 11:54 AM


Re: Another one bites the dust.
Jon writes:
And that's because adults aren't children and shouldn't be expected to behave as though they are.
When it comes to guns, "adults" in the US are exactly like children in a candy store.

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ringo
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Message 3568 of 5179 (760188)
06-18-2015 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 3567 by Jon
06-18-2015 12:01 PM


Re: Daily Vehicle Deaths
Jon writes:
They are the ones who will be persuaded to buy safer guns because they actually want to be safer and not simply own a gun.
Are they buying the safe ones now? Or are they buying the cheap ones and the shiny ones?

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ringo
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Message 3572 of 5179 (760196)
06-18-2015 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 3570 by Jon
06-18-2015 12:10 PM


Re: Daily Vehicle Deaths
Jon writes:
What safe ones?
Smart guns may not be readily available yet but biometric gun locks and safes are. The safety problem, though, is that people aren't using the safety measures that are already available, including the old-fashioned gun locks and safes.

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ringo
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Message 3581 of 5179 (760335)
06-20-2015 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 3569 by Jon
06-18-2015 12:07 PM


Re: Another one bites the dust.
Jon writes:
You're spouting ad hominem nonsense to avoid addressing the real issue.
I don't think calling stupidity stupidity is ad hominem. It's stupid to think a gun will protect you. All of the support given in this thread shows that your guns are more likely to harm you and your loved ones than to protect them.

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ringo
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Message 3582 of 5179 (760337)
06-20-2015 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 3574 by Jon
06-18-2015 12:48 PM


Re: Daily Vehicle Deaths
Jon writes:
ringo writes:
The safety problem, though, is that people aren't using the safety measures that are already available, including the old-fashioned gun locks and safes.
Because those safety measures make the guns useless for the purpose they're being bought for.
EXACTLY! Gun safety is a non-issue. Guns can not be made safe and effective at the same time. Even IF your science-fiction solutions become commonplace, there will still be millions of unsafe guns on the street. All of your science fiction will not make the nation safer.

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Message 3618 of 5179 (760406)
06-21-2015 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 3608 by Percy
06-21-2015 12:40 PM


Re: 9 dead in SC
Percy writes:
It wouldn't surprise me if they proposed that school and church outings require a designated shooter for defense.
Every playground could have a tree stand.

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ringo
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Message 3658 of 5179 (760464)
06-22-2015 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 3656 by Larni
06-22-2015 7:33 AM


Re: 9 dead in SC
Larni writes:
This I really don't get about Americans: what exactly are you worried your government is going to do?
They may have to overthrow their government again like they overthrew you guys. For example, if it tries to put a tax on tea.

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ringo
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Message 3689 of 5179 (760579)
06-23-2015 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 3682 by Percy
06-23-2015 7:35 AM


Re: 9 dead in SC
Percy writes:
... I'm having trouble understanding why you think an armed citizenry would be any match for the military.
That would be the Daniel Boone Syndrome: the belief that a handful of patriots in coonskin caps defeated the best-trained army in the world; therefore everybody should emulate Daniel Boone and avoid government.

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