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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Jon writes:
Sure they are. They're just bad at it.
But that's because people aren't risk-reward analyzing machines; Jon writes:
You contradict yourself. If you can't convince people that guns are dangerous, how can you convince them to buy safer guns? Telling someone they are wrong to own a gun for protection isn't any more likely to get them to give up their guns than telling someone else they are wrong to drive for pleasure is going to get them to give up their wheels. The whole issue is a pointless waste of time. Energy is better spent making guns and gun storage safer, making neighborhoods safer so people feel less need for guns, and so forth. Edited by ringo, : Changed "can" to "can't". That would have been confusing.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
It's also a reality that people replace their cars every few years but their guns can last a lifetime. The millions of unsafe guns already on the streets would take generations to work their way out of the system.
A lot of the safety features on cars aren't plainly apparent to consumers. But people still buy cars with safety features because it's just a reality that that's how cars are made.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
The point that YOU seem to be missing is that gun-lovers DON'T know the risks well. In fact, they DENY the risks. What we call risks, they call benefits.
You're trying too hard to miss the point, which is that people often engage in risky behavioreven when the risks are well known.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
Then what the @#$% are you talking about? What's the point of having safer guns if it isn't where the guns are?
I don't think my proposal for safer guns has anything to do with guns 'on the streets'.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
The question is: Why would they buy a newer, safer gun to replace the ones they already have?
The mother who buys a gun and sticks it in her purse. The father who stores a gun in his nightstand. Jon writes:
But "improved gun safety" will NOT address anything about the guns already in the purses and nightstands.
In fact, I'm talking specifically about the guns involved in accidental shootings that improved gun safety would address.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
That's just stupid. OF COURSE people need to know the risk in EVERYTHING they use.
ringo writes:
And they don't need to; they're irrelevant. The point that YOU seem to be missing is that gun-lovers DON'T know the risks well.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
Of course it is, but the best way to improve gun safety is to learn the rule you teach your children: "If you see a gun, don't touch it."
I still think improved gun safety is worthwhile.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
When it comes to guns, "adults" in the US are exactly like children in a candy store.
And that's because adults aren't children and shouldn't be expected to behave as though they are.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
Are they buying the safe ones now? Or are they buying the cheap ones and the shiny ones?
They are the ones who will be persuaded to buy safer guns because they actually want to be safer and not simply own a gun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes: Smart guns may not be readily available yet but biometric gun locks and safes are. The safety problem, though, is that people aren't using the safety measures that are already available, including the old-fashioned gun locks and safes.
What safe ones?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
I don't think calling stupidity stupidity is ad hominem. It's stupid to think a gun will protect you. All of the support given in this thread shows that your guns are more likely to harm you and your loved ones than to protect them.
You're spouting ad hominem nonsense to avoid addressing the real issue.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
EXACTLY! Gun safety is a non-issue. Guns can not be made safe and effective at the same time. Even IF your science-fiction solutions become commonplace, there will still be millions of unsafe guns on the street. All of your science fiction will not make the nation safer.
ringo writes:
Because those safety measures make the guns useless for the purpose they're being bought for. The safety problem, though, is that people aren't using the safety measures that are already available, including the old-fashioned gun locks and safes.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Percy writes:
Every playground could have a tree stand.
It wouldn't surprise me if they proposed that school and church outings require a designated shooter for defense.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Larni writes:
They may have to overthrow their government again like they overthrew you guys. For example, if it tries to put a tax on tea.
This I really don't get about Americans: what exactly are you worried your government is going to do?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Percy writes:
That would be the Daniel Boone Syndrome: the belief that a handful of patriots in coonskin caps defeated the best-trained army in the world; therefore everybody should emulate Daniel Boone and avoid government.
... I'm having trouble understanding why you think an armed citizenry would be any match for the military.
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