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Theodoric
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Message 4246 of 5179 (770319)
10-03-2015 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 4244 by Faith
10-03-2015 1:52 PM


Re: Christians were not targeted
Then how the hell can you comment on my post. Wow!!

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 4247 of 5179 (770320)
10-03-2015 2:35 PM
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10-03-2015 2:28 PM


Re: Christians were not targeted
Did your post explain the earlier reports? If it did then I'm sorry I didn't read it through, it just looked like somebody else's report and the first one was also from someone in the room. Sorry. I'm just preoccupied with other things.

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Message 4248 of 5179 (770321)
10-03-2015 2:58 PM
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10-03-2015 1:07 PM


Re: Christians were not targeted
OK, now I've read the article and to me it's not the definitive answer at all, it's one guy's interpretation of what the shooter was doing. He may be right or he may not be. I think it just leaves it up in the air for now.

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Message 4249 of 5179 (770322)
10-03-2015 3:03 PM
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10-03-2015 12:53 PM


Re: a social problem with a social solution
Praying in God's will ALWAYS works. The problem is we don't really do it, don't know how to do it, don't do it with the right aims, don't do it with clean hands as it were and so on.
Well, in this case, there should be no problem. If God didn't want us shooting each other, he would not have invented gunpowder or started the NRA or inspired the 2nd amendment and so forth.
This is a fallen world, we do all kind of things that are not in God's will in the sense I mean it above. But your comment is a non sequitur anyway since it's not about prayer. As I was saying Christians don't pray enough in the right way about the right issues. I

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Message 4250 of 5179 (770324)
10-03-2015 3:08 PM
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10-03-2015 12:53 PM


Re: a social problem with a social solution
His will isn't that hard to figure out. Pray constantly, obey His commands, love your neighbor, love your enemies. If a nation is being destroyed from within it's because it's disobeying God, but Christians also have to be right with God and often we aren't. "Thin the herd" isn't something that would ever be in God's will.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 4251 of 5179 (770325)
10-03-2015 3:11 PM
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10-03-2015 3:03 PM


Re: a social problem with a social solution
But your comment is a non sequitur anyway since it's not about prayer
I was trying to be sarcastic......

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If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Tangle
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Message 4252 of 5179 (770326)
10-03-2015 3:14 PM
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10-03-2015 1:45 PM


Re: Prayer works if you do it right
Faith writes:
My prayers get answers very frequently, especially prayers for theological understanding, or knowledge in general.
So your evidence is that you are personally convinced by internal meanings of subjective stuff. Hopeless. Your promise was that God always answers prayers and all you offer is what's happening in your own head? 'Nuff said.

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 4253 of 5179 (770327)
10-03-2015 3:23 PM
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10-03-2015 3:11 PM


Re: a social problem with a social solution
But your comment is a non sequitur anyway since it's not about prayer
I was trying to be sarcastic......
If you aim to be sarcastic, it helps to be sarcastic about the relevant topic.

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Message 4254 of 5179 (770328)
10-03-2015 3:23 PM
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10-03-2015 3:14 PM


Re: Prayer works if you do it right
I said a lot more than that.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 4255 of 5179 (770329)
10-03-2015 3:39 PM
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10-03-2015 3:23 PM


Re: a social problem with a social solution
If you aim to be sarcastic, it helps to be sarcastic about the relevant topic.
Oh, I was.
The topic I was sarcastic about was your delusion that your prayers will bring about useful changes in gun violence in our country. You seem to imply that your god and Jesus are pro-gun and second amendment.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 4256 of 5179 (770330)
10-03-2015 3:43 PM
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10-03-2015 3:39 PM


Re: a social problem with a social solution
The topic had become more general than the gun issue but as far as that goes we should pray against the gun violence that's been increasing in the country over the last few decades, nobody supports that, but it is certainly being used in the campaign against the second amendment. The gun violence is the result of cultural changes, not the second amendment. We can certainly pray against those cultural influences.
As I said, the reason we aren't seeing the results of prayer is that we aren't praying enough or in the right way.
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Tanypteryx
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Message 4257 of 5179 (770331)
10-03-2015 3:55 PM
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10-03-2015 3:43 PM


Re: a social problem with a social solution
As I said, the reason we aren't seeing the results of prayer is that we aren't praying enough or in the right way.
Or, the power of prayer is a delusion.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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xongsmith
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Message 4258 of 5179 (770332)
10-03-2015 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 4220 by Faith
10-02-2015 4:41 PM


Re: Psychology is Not the Answer
Faith asks:
Your armband suggestion went right over my head. Please explain?
The armbands were a reference to the movie, where the members of Charles Mott Society were given armbands at the checkpoints for stopping cigarettes from getting inside the town. Their leader had asked if they could wear armbands and Dick Van Dyke said right back to him, "sure!"

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Tangle
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Message 4259 of 5179 (770337)
10-03-2015 6:21 PM
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10-03-2015 3:23 PM


Re: Prayer works if you do it right
Faith writes:
I said a lot more than that.
None of it pertinant. Give us real world evidence that prayers always work, as was your claim.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Faith 
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Message 4260 of 5179 (770342)
10-03-2015 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 4245 by Percy
10-03-2015 2:04 PM


Re: Psychology is Not the Answer
The fact of the drugs remains important in my opinion, what was debunked was merely my suggestion about how to make use of the information. Other ideas are welcome.

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