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No they weren't, although I would argue that being snatched out of a hospital is not much different. Here are examples that meets the criteria. Not all that hard to find.http://fox59.com/...ent-october-home-invasion/#axzz36k2S5tNy

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Hill and five other men (Adrian Anthony, Demetre Brown, Alexander Dupree, Michael Pugh and Trae Spells) are accused of breaking into the home around 7:30 a.m. on Oct. 29, 2013. The men allegedly forced a woman in her 50s to drive them to an ATM, stole cash, shot her in the leg, and sexually assaulted both her and her daughter, police said.

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http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/64510332.html

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A woman and her 8-year-old nephew were robbed and briefly kidnapped after a home invasion in Far Northeast Dallas on Wednesday morning, according to a police report.
The woman, who said she believes that one of the suspects knew her, said they were released only after withdrawing hundreds of dollars from two ATMs for one of the suspects.

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First one didn't happen in TX. The second is from 2009. Hardly a cottage industry from the evidence presented so far.

Local new reports. Like I said, it is a cottage industry down here.But it is of course irrelevant anyway.I prepare. Hopefully none of the things I prepare for happen. Should they happen then I will have taken all measures I can to mitigate any harm to me.I really don't see why anyone else would do less?Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

Folk tales more likely

Because it's unnecessary? You appear to be spending a disproportionate amount of time, effort and concern preparing for very low/no risk events. It feels a little paranoid.It seems to me, as an outsider, that the presence of so many guns and their prevalence in US culture - TV, Films, news media, advertising, clubs and organisations, shops and fairs - increase feelings of insecurity and create a feedback loop.If it seems that everyone has a gun, you must have a gun yourself. And having the gun is a daily reminder of how insecure you are, so the feelings ratchet up to the point where you're building up stocks of food, digging out shelters and reading books on survival.Guns aren't making you safer, they're making you feel less secure.

Well put.I can see the circularity of the issue, and the difficulties, posed by the sheer volume of guns in the US, but when I hear the pro-gun argument that having a gun makes you feel much more secure, I always think how much more secure I feel, going about my daily life, in the knowledge that the chances of anyone I meet, or walk past, or bump into, having a gun are ridiculously low. I realise that at some point, I might meet violence or the threat of it, but I can take sensible precautions to reduce the risks - and if it happens, then that's the nature of life sometimes.In the meantime, I don't worry about shooting my foot off; about anyone in my family getting hold of a gun; about the immensely higher chance that a criminal will be armed; about the personal devastation it would cause me to actually shoot and kill someone (even in self-defence, that's some heavy shit to deal with); about someone else's child being gunned down in a school as the price of my gun ownership; or anyone in my family being gunned down as the result of other people's gun ownership.It's just conceivable I could be attacked one day, and die as a result of my not owning a gun - or that our democracy could in some seriously warped reality become a despotic regime which could somehow be halted by civilians having pistols - but I can intelligently assess risk, and come to the conclusion that widespread gun ownership just isn't worth giving up all of the advantages listed above (and a bunch of others).Gun ownership may make some gun owners feel more secure in the US (and given the prevalence of guns in the US, there are clearly differences in comparison with the UK), but I wager that I both feel more secure, and am more secure here, than I would feel and would be in a country with near unrestricted gun ownership.

Now that really is funny.How would you know I feel less secure?And is "feeling secure" desirable or healthy?Using things like my guns, my knives, my axes bring be joy and serenity.Actually, preparing for low risk events takes little extra effort. For example I do stock at least 8 gallons of pure water at home, a weeks worth of easy to prepare foods because I do live in an area where power service interruption is a possibility.You may consider that unnecessary but I have lived through earthquakes, major wild fires, civil breakdown even in cities, a few hurricanes and black outs. It seems to me not preparing for even those low risk events is just plain stupid.

I'm glad to hear you say that and hope that it is true, because when I read this from Message 2614: It made it seem like self defense and preparation was a dominating aspect of your life, which would be sad unless it were a hobby or something like that, so it's good to hear it isn't so.We have a generator - that's the extent of our preparation.--Percy

Indeed. It is rather difficult to shoot a hurricane or a drought ... but food, water and energy will help.And if I were going to rate the likelihood of various disasters I would rate those way higher than some internal military action.See Tank Town - Rainwater Collection Since 1994!EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : ..

It's fairly easy to shoot a hurricane. It's difficult to make one bleed.

Then you ain't shootin' at it with a big enough gun, pilgrim.

Self defense has always be a part of my life, mainly because I was always small, weak, clumsy, and the one chosen shortly after "that fence post over there."When I was growing up hand guns and rifles were pretty much ubiquitous. A common thing in the den of most of my friends houses was a gun rack or cabinet or the shotgun next to the back door. It was not at al unusual to find a pick up parked with windows down and a loaded 30-30 or Sweet Sixteen in a rack in the rear window. Guns were simply a normal part of everyday life.I began carrying a handgun though in California in the sixties. At that time my wife was working as a legal assistant for a lawyer tasked to defend a guy who had murdered two or three folk. The killer had just been found guilty and threatened to kill the judge, all the lawyers, their families and anyone who got in his way. Before sentencing he was being given a psych evaluation and beat up the young woman giving the eval, step out an open window and "returned to the general population".The police said they would ride by the various houses regularly but strongly suggested we all get armed since they really couldn't offer any of us much protection. That was when I took my first formal handgun defensive shooting training.Shooting is fun and there are several organized types and styles available.

When we lived on the farm, my dad kept a .22 over the kichen door. One day he got up from the supper table and took it down to shoot (at) a fox that was approaching our chicken house. Later on, he used it to shoot our old dog. Before I was seven, I shot a snowbank with it. (Take that, winter!)In the more than fifty years since, I have seen exactly one handgun in civilian hands (not including antiques in collections). I know lots of people who have rifles and shotguns for hunting but I've never met anybody who had a firearm for "protection".I live in Canada's "murder capital" (4 or 5 per 100,000 - almost none of them gun-related).

You are the one linking gun ownership with teenage girls getting pregnant. I'm simply pointing out that your assertion regarding guns as deterring that outcome seems woefully misplaced. It's not a question of perfect. It's simply a case of demonstrating that very strong restrictions on gun ownership hasn't resulted in the sky falling in or mass lawlessness in the way gun advocates in the US say will happen. For example...... But it was you who raised the comparison!! It was you that started talking about comparing the US and the UK in terms of people wanting to live "in a society where there is law and order". I simply pointed out that the UK isn't particularly lawless.

Maybe marc has been watching too many Guy Ritchie movies.