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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Probably that the shooting was accidental, the kid didn't intend to shoot his mother. How he got access to the gun is criminal. While that is true, the problem I find here is that the statement about looking into the criminal negligence of mom was a statement from the author of the article. While the other statement was a quote of Wells, the law enforcement guy. There is no indication that Well was even considering the issue of mom's criminal culpability. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Taking away guns simply because a fight occurred at a house really is not an acceptable idea. Yeah, just because the police have been called out to prevent one person from hurting another, that doesn't mean it's a bad idea to leave them alone together with a lethal weapon. If anything, that would help them to settle their differences.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
meant to edit but created a dup.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Yeah, just because the police have been called out to prevent one person from hurting another, that doesn't mean it's a bad idea to leave them alone together with a lethal weapon. If anything, that would help them to settle their differences. The police are going to separate the participants. If the situation is dangerous, the police are not going to leave fighters behind together to continue a fist fight, let alone a shoot out. The house is of course full of potentially lethal weapons, most of which are in the kitchen and garage. Are the police going to take the next step of child proofing the house? Get rid of the rat poison? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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NoNukes writes: Your lack of detail might be one of the reasons why your proposal was found unacceptable by the other poster to respond. My lack of detail was intentional, because it wasn't a proposal. I called it a it a starting point for discussion, and you keep ignoring that. Here's what I said originally in Message 4799:
Percy in Message 4799 writes: The details could be argued endlessly. Reaching agreement on how to regulate the presence of guns in a household is conditional upon certain things. Here are some examples just for a discussion starting point: And Hyroglyphx didn't find my post unacceptable. He responded in Message 4800 saying there was only one point he disagreed with, and not because I failed to mention due process:
Hyroglyphx in Message 4800 writes: Percy writes: You own several guns, no problem. You have a party where a fight breaks out and the police are called. The police remove the guns from the house. I agree with all of them, except this one. Unless the weapon was used or brandished in the commission of a crime, and that you were one of the assailants involved, then I don't see how you are at fault if other people got in to a fight at your house. Back in Message 4806 you said, "You should be telling us what you mean before." Hyroglyphx understood my reply well enough, and I can't be expected to anticipate that you would read it too and not understand. Will you never call an end to this badgering? I'm guessing not and will await your response. --Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
and I can't be expected to anticipate that you would read it too and not understand. Will you never call an end to this badgering? Will you ever stop taking a disagreement as badgering? I don't think I continue the discussion any longer than you do. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I agree with all of them, except this one. Unless the weapon was used or brandished in the commission of a crime, and that you were one of the assailants involved, then I don't see how you are at fault if other people got in to a fight at your house I note here that Hydro added some detail that you did not. The principle behind his objection is pretty much the same as the one behind mine. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
And in this corner, the West VA legislature going against the will of its citizens...
quote: Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams |
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
NoNukes writes: Will you ever stop taking a disagreement as badgering? Disagreeing is fine. Persistent pestering is badgering.
I don't think I continue the discussion any longer than you do. I'm just defending myself against unfounded accusations. Stop making the accusations and I'll stop responding. Besides, your being bothered by my supposed lack of clarity isn't in any way related to the topic. Send PMs. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
NoNukes writes: I note here that Hydro added some detail that you did not. Of course he added detail that I didn't. That was the whole idea of outlining a discussion starting point.
The principle behind his objection is pretty much the same as the one behind mine. Your objection is that I didn't mention due process, but I did. From Message 4799:
Percy in Message 4799 writes: Once that is agreed upon then it is axiomatic that there must be due process in place by which people can acquire guns and by which guns can be taken away. You're just wrong. Stop clogging up the thread. Send me a PM. --Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
meant to PM. sorry.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
5 dead, 3 injured in a mass rat-poisoning, I'll read that again, it turns out that guns were involved.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 102 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
The sad thing is that you knew, as did we all, that you would only have to wait 24 hours for that.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
5 dead, 3 injured in a mass rat-poisoning, I'll read that again, it turns out that guns were involved. A link for those who haven't seen this yet... 6 dead in 'calculated' shooting at backyard party in Pa. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Wait, no, it was a guy with a gun accidentally shooting people. My bad. It's just there's been so many isolated incidents of accidental rat-poisoning lately that I got all confused.
2 men, 4 children hurt at Ocala shooting range, deputies say
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