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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
But more often than not, guns are not used in "response" to an attack; they're used in anticipation of an attack. Is that a fact or an opinion?
If the other guy shoots first, a gun won't help you. We just had a republican congressman get shot by a Bernie supporter whose life was saved, and probably a mass tragedy prevented, by the defensive use of guns in response to an attack where the other guy shot first.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Well at least those Trump voters are shooting their selves rather than being like those Bernie supporters who are shooting others.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Well at least those Trump voters are shooting their selves rather than being like those Bernie supporters who are shooting others. My comment was blurted out without really connecting to other events in the "news". Just a reaction to the irony of hard-line gun nuts shooting themselves and each other, proving they are not intelligent enough to be trusted with firearms. I've been almost entirely without news since May 24. By news, I mean information about events that impact people or things or places I care about. A month without the good or the bad has been quite refreshing. Now I have to decide how much I will let currents events intrude in my space.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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All of The NewsTM is shit and you're better off without it. Stay tuned out.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Yup, get off down to your church, get on your knees and praise the Lord.
Hide from the world. Hallejuya! Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
No, go outside and do stuff.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
New Cat's Eye writes:
You make my point. The police officers fired after the attacker's gunfire. Their guns did not protect the congressman. ringo writes:
We just had a republican congressman get shot by a Bernie supporter whose life was saved, and probably a mass tragedy prevented, by the defensive use of guns in response to an attack where the other guy shot first. If the other guy shoots first, a gun won't help you. To be fair, they did protect other people who might have been shot.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
You make my point. You have a funny way of making your points look like other points. The other guy fired first, and then their guns helped them - something you said won't happen.
The police officers fired after the attacker's gunfire. Their guns did not protect the congressman. They prevented his death, I call that "protecting".
To be fair, they did protect other people who might have been shot. And killed. Defensive Gun Use for the win.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
New Cat's Eye writes:
They didn't prevent him from being shot in the first place.
They prevented his death, I call that "protecting". New Cat's Eye writes:
If you follow the thread, I said in Message 5001 that, "The idea that you can defend yourself with a gun is the problem, not the solution." Defensive Gun Use for the win. YOURSELF. I concede that you can defend somebody else with a gun - but only if you shoot him BEFORE he shoots you.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
They didn't prevent him from being shot in the first place. So? Is your claim completely vacuous then?
If you follow the thread, I said in Message 5001 that, "The idea that you can defend yourself with a gun is the problem, not the solution." YOURSELF. I concede that you can defend somebody else with a gun - but only if you shoot him BEFORE he shoots you. Not necessarily - it depends on where you get shot.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
New Cat's Eye writes:
My claim is that you can't defend yourself with a gun. If the congressman had been running the bases with an M-16, a Colt 1911 and an RPG, he would still have been shot because he never saw his assailant.
Is your claim completely vacuous then?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
If the congressman had been running the bases with an M-16, a Colt 1911 and an RPG, he would still have been shot because he never saw his assailant. So yes, vacuous it is. It's dumb to equate "defending yourself with a gun" with "never getting shot".
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
New Cat's Eye writes:
And I'm not doing that. It's dumb to equate "defending yourself with a gun" with "never getting shot". I'm saying that if you get shot, you get shot. Having a gun won't prevent that.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I'm saying that if you get shot, you get shot. Having a gun won't prevent that. Sure, but being shot doesn't mean that you cannot defend yourself.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
New Cat's Eye writes:
It means you didn't.
Sure, but being shot doesn't mean that you cannot defend yourself.
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