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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Crashfrog writes:
It does. You act like that makes it ok. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Crashfrog writes:
A baseless claim for your first sentence. Look, Panda, I get it; you're as proud of your country as I am of mine.Not a good start. Crashfrog writes:
If you being honest is you saying something that is untrue, then your need to try harder. Maybe your conviction that I'm irrationally ignoring evidence out of nationalistic fervor - and let's be honest, that's what you believe Anyway...
Crashfrog writes: Panda writes:
*blatantly unable to show why it doesn't* It does. Australia banned guns and gun deaths went down dramatically.You have not shown otherwise. Do you think that a gun ban would produce an instant reduction?I think it would take several years at least. How long do you think it should take? (I realise that you have a history of not answering questions - but repeatedly asking them makes that more obvious to others.)...and still no link to a burglar being paid compensation. I'll add that to the list of your baseless claims. "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Crashfrog writes:
Well, we know from Australia that society was improved by banning guns and people didn't try harder to get guns. But was society improved as a result? Did people use less drugs, or did they try harder to get drugs? Your analogy is proved wrong by reality."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Crashfrog writes:
But, as usual, you avoid the actual point of this thread: gun deaths were greatly reduced. But it wasn't. Conditions in Australia improved at exactly the same rate they were already improving. Homicides increased in the years that followed the gun ban. Crime rates in Australia continue to be almost twice as high as they are in the US.Gun deaths. Not car deaths. Not drug deaths. Not crime rates. Not homicides. GUN deaths (or firearm homicides and firearm suicides if that helps you). http://www.washingtonpost.com/...n-control-work-in-australia
quote: quote:People that know what they are talking about disagree with you. "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Crashfrog writes:
I don't recognize this text from anyone else's post, but you attribute it to someone. Can you show me where they made this remark? You mean like "we banned guns, and then murders were lower after that"?"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Crashfrog writes:
Clearly, not you. Who cares, though?Fuck those kids, right? Crashfrog writes:
They weren't. but if more people were murdered in aggregatehttp://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Crashfrog writes:
Oh, I see: no-one said it. Panda writes:
Who do I attribute it to? Be specific. I don't recognize this text from anyone else's post, but you attribute it to someone.Strange that you think it is relevant then. Carry on..."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Crashfrog writes:
I'll let you work it out yourself. There's a name for what that's called, but I don't seem to be allowed to tell you what it is. Perhaps you can use your imagination.Your greater experience of posting them makes you more more of an expert than I. "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Crashfrog writes:
Wrong. The topic is whether gun control can reduce homicide.Try again. "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Crashfrog writes:
Wrong. ...gun control has repeatedly been suggested to be responsible for an overall decrease in Australia's homicide rate.Try again. "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Jon writes:
I agree that the Patriot Act (from the small amount about it I have read) is morally questionable at best. And the Patriot Act is not only unconstitutional, but immoral; it is also one of the great examples of why a citizen's right to bear arms is so importantto recoil against encroaching tyranny. But what effect has the ability to bear arms had on it?
(This is not rhetorical. I don't know the answer, and there was no mention of guns or arms on the Wiki page.) Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
dronester writes:
They are good questions, though. Sorry, my words in this thread are more questions than debate."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
CS writes:
The document you linked has dubious content. I gotta go do some work in the lab and will be away from my desk for the rest of the day. I didn't get a chance to read this yet, but I wanted to throw it in here for future reference.When you get time to read it, I doubt you will be impressed. . quote:Conspiracy much? . quote:The number of firearms held by civilians in Russia is ~12,750,000. 1 in 10 Russian civilians own a gun. (I am unable to find out how many murders in Russia involved guns, despite a thorough search. It appears Russia does not publish those numbers.) . quote:That is completely made up - it even argues against itself: the last sentence contradicts the first. . quote:That is because killing blacks, chinese or native americans was not considered homicide. Not that I believe that there are any statistics available - and the article provided none. . The amount of erroneous, flawed or baseless claims in your link is too much to be covered in one reply.The document is nothing more than an 'opinion piece' disguised to look like a real research paper. The authors' bias is showing. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Straggler writes: I have no idea where (or when) you got that video from but the idea that the UK populace are clamouring for guns or think that some sort of divine freedom has been diminished by their absence is complete nonsense. Faith writes:
Perhaps I should link Faith the video of Americans commenting on how well Obama/Romney did in their 2nd live debate....1 day before the 2nd debate was due to happen. Did you WATCH the video? I found it on You Tube. Those ARE British people being interviewed, people who had their guns taken away from them back in 1997. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Faith writes:
We had hoped that data about gun deaths and gun homicides would have successfully conveyed the cause of death. And nobody so far has given statistics that show the CAUSE of the deaths in any of the cases, which is crucial information.But it seems to have been too difficult for you to work out. Faith writes:
Yeah. But I'm not for exchanging lower death rates for higher home invasions or other crimes anyway.Property is more important than people's lives. That is what Jesus teaches, yes? Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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