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Message 2229 of 5179 (716615)
01-19-2014 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 2221 by Faith
01-18-2014 8:44 PM


Re: Efficient Gun Control
More basic issues to show the quality of this list.
The Reagan assassination attempt was in 1981 not 1983
Loughner shooting was 2011 not 2010.
It is Larry Ashbrook, not Asbrook.
If someone is going to take the time to post something like this you would think they might want to check dates and spelling.
This whole thing just oozes stupidity.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 2230 of 5179 (716616)
01-19-2014 5:13 PM
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01-19-2014 4:03 PM


Re: Efficient Gun Control
Go reread my post. I did not present it as something I believed at all.
Yes you did. You do realize we can read what you posted don't you.
Faith writes:
Of course I think it's amusing but even I know that it simply leaves out the right wingers.
You obviously thought it was a correct listing of left wing shooters.
It is nice to see your good Christian values in finding humour in the senseless murder of dozens of people. I find that truly offensive.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 2236 of 5179 (716674)
01-20-2014 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 2232 by Faith
01-19-2014 8:37 PM


Re: hateful abuse.
What does creationism have to do with gun control? Does creationism define and control everything in your life and every opinion you have?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 2242 of 5179 (716709)
01-20-2014 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 2241 by onifre
01-20-2014 1:32 PM


Re: And yet more shootings......
NY doesn't count, cuz, well just cuz.

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Message 2258 of 5179 (716897)
01-22-2014 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 2255 by New Cat's Eye
01-22-2014 10:16 AM


Re: wifebeating lunatics
What's their percentage of blacks?
And now we cut to the chase.

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 2260 of 5179 (716899)
01-22-2014 11:19 AM
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01-22-2014 10:16 AM


Re: wifebeating lunatics
What's their percentage of blacks?
Just for shits and giggles.
NYC
Immigrant Africans, Caribbeans, and African Americans make up 25.1% of New York City's population
Source
Chicago
The racial makeup of the city in 2010 was 32% black
Source
Please continue.

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 2274 of 5179 (717117)
01-24-2014 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 2273 by New Cat's Eye
01-24-2014 11:59 AM


Re: wifebeating lunatics
Actually, that's up to the individual States to decide.
What prohibits federal legislation on background checks?
If a State decides to obtain records of all the people who they have allowed to legally purchase guns, then I think we can conclude that keeping bad people from getting guns was not their ultimate goal.
So if someone owns a gun they cannot become "bad people"? You make it sound as if owning a gun absolves people from many things.

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 2278 of 5179 (717301)
01-26-2014 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 2277 by ramoss
01-26-2014 8:35 AM


Re: wifebeating lunatics
Well if you have a "dear" hunting rifle, they should come for it.
Now a deer hunting rifle is another thing
Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 2284 of 5179 (717333)
01-26-2014 12:00 PM
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01-26-2014 11:32 AM


Re: wifebeating lunatics
Good point

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 2286 of 5179 (717335)
01-26-2014 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 2283 by New Cat's Eye
01-26-2014 12:00 PM


Re: wifebeating lunatics
oni writes:
None of the shooters since Virginia Tech (that I can remember) have been "bad" people....
Also, none of them have been black.
CS writes:
What about the D.C. Sniper?
Fail.
Virginia Tech shooting was in 2007 and DC sniper was in 2002.
You had to go back over 11 years to find an example and you still think you have a point?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 2297 of 5179 (717461)
01-27-2014 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 2296 by New Cat's Eye
01-27-2014 6:10 PM


Re: wifebeating lunatics
Not sure where you are getting your figures from but they seem to be very wrong.
quote:
Every year in the U.S., an average of more than 100,000 people are shot, according to The Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence.
Every day in the U.S., an average of 289 people are shot. Eighty-six of them die: 30 are murdered, 53 kill themselves, two die accidentally, and one is shot in a police intervention, the Brady Campaign reports.
Between 2000 and 2010, a total of 335,609 people died from guns -- more than the population of St. Louis, Mo. (318,069), Pittsburgh (307,484), Cincinnati, Ohio (296,223), Newark, N.J. (277,540), and Orlando, Fla. (243,195) (sources: CDF, U.S. Census; CDC)
One person is killed by a firearm every 17 minutes, 87 people are killed during an average day, and 609 are killed every week. (source: CDC)
Source
That was just a quick search to get this. Lets look at your source and see why there is such a discrepancy.
Edited by Theodoric, : Can't spell

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 2299 of 5179 (717468)
01-27-2014 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 2298 by New Cat's Eye
01-27-2014 7:38 PM


Re: wifebeating lunatics
Do you think murders are the only way people are killed by guns?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 2301 of 5179 (717484)
01-28-2014 8:32 AM
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01-28-2014 8:09 AM


Re: wifebeating lunatics
Well facts are known to have a liberal bias.
If all he is going to do is throw out right wing talking points, it shouldn't be hard for the lurkers to see the dishonesty of the whole wingnut argument.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 2305 of 5179 (717493)
01-28-2014 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 2303 by New Cat's Eye
01-28-2014 10:11 AM


Re: wifebeating lunatics
Ha! And you're gonna talk shit from the sidelines and then bitch of fit if I say anything bad about you. Pathetic.
I don't see where I have said anything bad about you. Do you not like to be associated with the right wing talking points you are using?
Do you deny these are right wing talking points? You will notice that I attack your arguments not you. You see there is a difference between attacking an argument and attacking the person. You might want to try to figure that out.
Maybe this is piling on here but here is more data to look at.
After the gunshot: Hospitalizations for firearm injuries prevalent among children

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 2310 of 5179 (717498)
01-28-2014 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 2304 by New Cat's Eye
01-28-2014 10:19 AM


homicides only? I don't think so
We've been talking about homicides. Please do try to keep up.
But that isn't what you said is it? And you were comparing the figure to unintentional falling. I had no idea that unintentional falling was a way to commit murder.
CS writes:
There were less than 9,000 people killed by firearms in the U.S. in 2012.
More than three times that many people died from unintentional falling.
You want to save lives? How about background checks for leaving the ground
Message 2296
Your original comment does not mesh at all with the latest claim.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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