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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I don't see where I have said anything bad about you. No shit, your replies indicate that you can hardly comprehend what you read.
quote: You're reducing my participation here to simply regurgitating what other's have said and are claiming that my arguments are dishonest. That is saying bad things about me, jerk.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Oh, that helps.
How can we improve gun laws? Well, you make them better. Hooray!
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
But that isn't what you said is it? Its exactly what I said. Come back when you can keep up with following a discussion. In the mean time, I'll go back to ignoring you. Here you go: From Message 2294 quote: Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I gave you a tangible model we can use and I added that it be nationwide. If its so tangible, then why do I know nothing about it? Throw me a bone here. Links man, links.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I have no fucking clue what you're talking about brotha. I did provide a link from the LA Times that covered Cali's excellent mental illness laws as it relates to gun control. So there is a link. Oh, shit. I totally didn't see the link. Sorry. Thanks, I'll take a look.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
You never reply to what I'm actually saying, or even engage my arguments. You just take potshots from the sidelines regardless of whether or not they're really applicable to my argument. Its a really annoying waste of my time.
Like when Xong and I are talking about gun homicides and then you butt in with something totally unrelated. So, again, I'm just going to go back to ignoring you.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Do you honestly believe that background checks only have an effect on homicides? Do you believe that xongsmith advocates for background checks solely to deal with gun homicides? See, these questions are exactly what I'm talking about with you not comprehending what I'm saying. The answer to those question is an obvious "No". Neither of those questions are applicable to what we were talking about. They are totally irrelevant and distracting and have no reason to be asked. Further, you've drug this discussion completely off topic to talk about what words mean and how they are used. Some simple skills should be had before someone enters a debate, and those include basic reading comprehension. oh, and honesty. That is, you should at least try to understand what the person is actually saying rather than assuming they're saying the most stupidest thing you can imagine, and then responding to that instead.
If you were indeed intentionally talking of only gun homicides. Your wording was deceptive or incorrect. Well, a discussion involves context. If you read back to what I had been saying, I've already provided you a link and quote to the context, you can see that I was referring to gun homicides. This allows a person, with sufficient ability, to comprehend that "killed" was shorthand for "homicide". In fact, the word 'kill' can be used synonymously with the word "murder" according to the dictionary.
If you were indeed intentionally talking of only gun homicides. Your wording was deceptive or incorrect. That's the problem with your potshots-from-the-sidelines approach. You can't look past the immediate wording to parse the meaning of the words as they are being used in the discussion. Had you read back and followed along with my reasoning instead, you would have seen that we had been talking about gun homicides. You'd have a better track record if you actually engaged in the discussion rather that cowering on the sidelines and looking for the low hanging fruit to grab.
Killed does not equal(is there a way to make that symbol?) homicide. Except that it can, and it did. That's exactly what the word meant as used. The latex code for does not equal is \neq. You can input this:
[latex]\neq[/latex] to get:
But lets look at your next comment.
More than three times that many people died from unintentional falling. You want to save lives? How about background checks for leaving the ground Your claim that you meant homicides only is completely destroyed by this. Now, you've moved even further from trying to understand what I'm saying, and into trying to score debate points. Even more pathetic, you're lying about what I said by omitting the most revealing part about what I submitted. Here's my response in full:
quote: That tongue-out smiley indicates that the response was non-serious. I was cracking a joke. The italics add stress to the tone, indicating the sarcasm. Obviously, background checks for leaving the ground was offered in jest. The are the kinds of things you're going to need to learn how to comprehend if you're going to be able to offer anything useful to a debate and continnue to receive replies from me.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I did provide a link from the LA Times that covered Cali's excellent mental illness laws as it relates to gun control. Well, I left that article thinking: "Yeah, background checks are not the way to go."
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Which people kiled by firearms were not homicides? They don't count suicides as homicides. I think, technically, the definition of homicide is killed by another person. I don't include suicides in the deaths that I want to, or consider very possible to, prevent with gun control laws.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
You did? That's great. Why though? Too many issues that would need to be worked out to make it effective, and those efforts would be better spent on other avenues.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Catholic Scientist writes:
??? If Illinois has NO HELMET LAW but Missouri does, the guy just goes to Illinois, rides around without his helmet on and returns to Missouri. If this was supposed to be analogous to differing gun laws, it fails badly. A guy who can't buy a gun in his own state because of the background check can buy it in another state, then bring that gun back into his own state. In your analogy the trip to Illinois confers on him no right to ride without a helmet in his own state, but he can still tote that gun he bought in some nearby state. A better analogy might be alcohol. Okay, you're right. How about weed. A guy can drive over to Colorado, buy some weed, and then bring it back to his state where its still illegal.
Of course, while the analogy works, it doesn't support your position. My position is that we do not need to sound the alarms and get the Feds involved, but instead should leave this up to the States. Do you think we should have the Feds crack down on Colorado to protect all those people in the neighboring states from having weed illegally brought in?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
All quotes from the article.
the annual risk of gun-related death in school is "well below one in two million,"
(Bolding mine) So not the number of youngsters killed by guns, just the subset who happen to get killed by guns at school, against the total number killed in cycling accidents. But it was a response to the Moms and Mayors who were saying this:
quote: So the author was just staying on topic.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Personally I see no reason why the feds should not In light of the heinous actions of the NSA, I'm not going to trust the Feds with something that purposefully provides them with more information about my guns.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Why else link to the article at all? It looks like a retort to the previous message that was just a badly described bare link.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
How do you know Coyote was responding to Dr. A? It looks like it because the bare link was called "some data" and then the next message right after it has the subtitle "some more data".
Badly described bare link? The link was badly described because it didn't actually contain data. Its a news article announcing a report that is coming soon. I was expecting some numbers.
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