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Topic: Gun Control Again
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marc9000
Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: 12-25-2009 Member Rating: 1.4
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Message 2611 of 5179 (732287)
07-05-2014 9:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 2600 by ringo
07-05-2014 11:56 AM
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marc9000 writes: You have a firm opinion on the gun control debate and have never seen that evidence? Who said I had a firm opinion? You've made...29 posts in a gun control thread, but your opinion isn't firm? Sorry, I thought it logically followed.
marc9000 writes: As I said, the U.S. government loves its guns, and cares nothing about gun control for itself - it's not going to happen. That's a classic example of a non sequitur. I suppose you'd think that, if you're clueless about the history of nations that have disarmed their citizens.
Reminds me of something that happened around 1775 - an armed citizenry overthrew a government that didn't respect them (or so the myth goes, anyway). Myth? You don't believe the American Revolution happened? (it's worse than I thought)
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marc9000
Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: 12-25-2009 Member Rating: 1.4
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Message 2612 of 5179 (732289)
07-05-2014 9:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 2606 by NoNukes
07-05-2014 9:31 PM
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Re: The Gun Industry: Making the World a Safer Place
Are you saying that you need more killing power to be able to fight the police and the EPA. If that's correct I'd appreciate you letting me know. I'd really need you to look at a 6th grade history book as a start - I can't describe to you the benefits of an armed citizenry in a few paragraphs.
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marc9000
Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: 12-25-2009 Member Rating: 1.4
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Message 2613 of 5179 (732290)
07-05-2014 10:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 2608 by NoNukes
07-05-2014 9:39 PM
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[qs] punk man writes: I don't like it when police shoot unarmed 19 year old girls We have to ask because it seems that you like the idea of teen age boys fearing being shot by irrational dads. "FEARING" is the key word. It's not that complicated.
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 2614 of 5179 (732291)
07-05-2014 10:51 PM
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The state as of this date
We'll I went another year without shooting anyone or using my insurance or having to start a fire with flint and steel, but I still carry weapons, insurance, practice situational awareness, handgun and rifle practice, shoot near and far, stationary and when on the move, using knives and axes defensively and practically, keep a packed panic bag and bug out caches, practice defensive driving. As my arthritis gets worse I have had to practice more using my off hand and that's gotten much better. In fact in most cases I'm better left handed than right now. It's still cumbersome when it comes to the bolt action rifles but even there I've practiced enough to feel comfortable. I've added some ambidextrous holsters and knives and practiced enough to be comfortable there as well. It's comforting to know I'm about as prepared as I can be.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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NoNukes
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Message 2615 of 5179 (732292)
07-05-2014 11:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 2612 by marc9000
07-05-2014 9:59 PM
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Re: The Gun Industry: Making the World a Safer Place
I'd really need you to look at a 6th grade history book as a start - I can't describe to you the benefits of an armed citizenry in a few paragraphs. Cute. I am not asking for a history lesson. I am asking you for the meaning behind your mention of the arms carried by the police and the EPA when asked about the bullet advertisement. I'll take your playing coy as an admission that you are talking about arming yourself against law enforcement. Typical gun nut crap.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes
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Message 2616 of 5179 (732293)
07-05-2014 11:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 2613 by marc9000
07-05-2014 10:19 PM
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"FEARING" is the key word. It's not that complicated. No it isn't complicated. Just irrational. The evidence suggests that it does not work. People do shoot boyfriends on occasion, and they also shoot their own nieces hiding in closets. But it turns out that a few irrational shootings doesn't generate the fear that keeps teenagers from getting pregnant.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 2617 of 5179 (732294)
07-05-2014 11:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 2604 by marc9000
07-05-2014 9:06 PM
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Very good, neither is northern Kentucky. But even a liberal with their eyes tightly shut can't help but notice the significant increase in the Mexican population in this area. Over only the past 15 years or so, we've seen Mexican restaurants spring up all over the place, I can't go to my local food store more than once or twice without seeing a few of them in the aisle gibber-jabering among themselves in Spanish. I don't think there's a landscaping company anywhere around here that doesn't have an almost exclusive Mexican workforce. Why yes, your map shows my county of Kentucky to be at the 2.5% to 16.2% range. Must be closer to 16.2 in this case. South Carolina has lots of counties the same shade of yellow as mine, and it's a lot warmer there, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are some Mexicans there, with some South Carolinians that aren't too crazy about it. But never mind, you don't believe that. South Carolina has more gun violence than the heaven-on-earth New York because SC has more armed citizens - that illegal immigration has nothing to do with gun violence. But wait - you're about to go ballistic and tell me you didn't say that at all! There often seems to be a point in threads you participate in where you don't have an opinion at all - all you do is insult. Absence of correlation is a pretty good indication of absence of causation. Also, I don't see why illegal immigrants should be particularly shoot-y. Just because Hispanic people commit horrifying atrocities such as opening Mexican restaurants and "gibber-jabering among themselves in Spanish", that doesn't necessarily prove that they're particularly trigger-happy.
Oh you speak for everyone, and none of you has yet figured out that I don't like it when police shoot unarmed 19 year old girls? Well, you did write as follows:
In the same way, (regarding my link about the policeman shooting the 19 year old girl because she refused to stop), I'd bet thousands of teenagers all across northern Kentucky will now think twice before they'll thumb their nose at a policeman who tells them to stop. Gun control advocates are always quick to point to the U.K. concerning their lack of guns and gun violence, but the issue goes way deeper than that when we consider, as only one example, how often teenagers run from the police there and get by with it. A lot of people want to live in a society where there's law and order. Perhaps you are not wholeheartedly in favor of this shooting, but you were quick to point out the upside.
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 643 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 2618 of 5179 (732295)
07-06-2014 12:11 AM
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Reply to: Message 2610 by marc9000
07-05-2014 9:49 PM
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Frankly, the opinion of someone who sounds totally flake nuts and paranoid doesn't really impress me. And, frankly, anybody who quotes the daily caller sounds flake nuts and paranoid.
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 643 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Message 2619 of 5179 (732297)
07-06-2014 12:12 AM
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Reply to: Message 2612 by marc9000
07-05-2014 9:59 PM
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Re: The Gun Industry: Making the World a Safer Place
YOU know what marc, you can't describe it in a few paragraphs, or even more, because, you can't at all without being anti-american.
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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: 07-20-2006
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Message 2620 of 5179 (732298)
07-06-2014 12:17 AM
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Reply to: Message 2610 by marc9000
07-05-2014 9:49 PM
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It worked fine! But using hollow points for target practice, and other things about the desperate attempts to downplay government purchases of enough ammo to kill every U.S. citizen ... Though as that's a five-year contract, they're going to have to do it in installments. They can shoot everyone between A and F the first year ...
Well, the website claims that anyone who's serious about practicing shooting practices with different equipment than they're actually planning to use. Kind of like how Formula One drivers always practice in Honda Civics. But it seems at least possible that someone who's really serious about practicing something might practice the thing they're actually going to do. But if this is not the case, then what are they practicing with? I mean, presumably they do practice, yes? And apparently we can find out what bullets they're buying. So if they're not practicing with the hollow-points, someone should be able to show me a similarly large order of Special Practice Bullets. --- Curiously enough, I've never persuaded any conservative to bet on their apocalyptic future scenarios. Could I persuade you or any of your chums to a little flutter? My money says that next year, as usual, more U.S. citizens will be killed by private firearms than by those in government hands. Can I get anyone to take the other end of the bet? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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ramoss
Member (Idle past 643 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: 08-11-2004
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Thing is, it referes to someone who is refering to an article in the Daily Caller that debunked. AP Debunks Daily Caller Op-Ed Warning Of Obama Plot To Kill All Americans | Media Matters for America It other words,paraniod bullshit.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 5.1
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Message 2622 of 5179 (732303)
07-06-2014 4:12 AM
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Reply to: Message 2614 by jar
07-05-2014 10:51 PM
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Re: The state as of this date
Jar writes: It's comforting to know I'm about as prepared as I can be. Prepared for what? From this distance it seems very strange - are you really expecting your government to attack you? How do you get to feel that way? We live in democracies now, governments can't even make punitive tax systems without being kicked out of office; who is the enemy that you're preparing for?
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Percy
Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 5.4
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Message 2623 of 5179 (732305)
07-06-2014 7:06 AM
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Reply to: Message 2609 by marc9000
07-05-2014 9:42 PM
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Re: The Gun Industry: Making the World a Safer Place
marc9000 writes: Last time I checked, gun nuts could still vote.
?? So can many illegals - so can those who know nothing about history. You've forgotten what you said that I was replying to. You said, "It's important to realize that so much gun interest is within the U.S. government." I dont' disagree, but if there are gun nuts in government it's because they were voted in.
I'm tired tonight, and that's pretty raggedy I'll admit,... Well, I don't know about raggedy, but it isn't about anything I said. I had expressed an interest in your proposals for reducing gun deaths. --Percy
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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 2624 of 5179 (732308)
07-06-2014 9:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 2622 by Tangle
07-06-2014 4:12 AM
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Re: The state as of this date
Prepared for what? From this distance it seems very strange - are you really expecting your government to attack you? How do you get to feel that way? We live in democracies now, governments can't even make punitive tax systems without being kicked out of office; who is the enemy that you're preparing for? Nah, I really don't worry about an attack by my government; look how ineffective our government seems to be when it comes to attacking people. I prepare for a broad range of possible risks and threats. I do see federal government collapse as a true possibility, particularly the US, but it's pretty far down the list. I live in a part of the US where quite often local governments are an enemy, where they are the supporters of the drug cartels; in an area where home invasions are not at all uncommon and even there it is not the main risk. But I do read the same news stories others seem to be reading and understand that police are not there to actually protect people from violence and so I try to be prepared to protect myself and those around me.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9206 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.4
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Message 2625 of 5179 (732311)
07-06-2014 9:53 AM
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Reply to: Message 2610 by marc9000
07-05-2014 9:49 PM
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You obviously know nothing about guns. You practice and qualify with the round you use. Different rounds produce different results in accuracy. Do you really think the government would use 9mm to subdue the general public? You lack of critical thinking is astounding.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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