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Message 2640 of 5179 (732357)
07-06-2014 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 2639 by NoNukes
07-06-2014 9:11 PM


Re: The state as of this date
And none were home invasions.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 2642 of 5179 (732360)
07-06-2014 9:49 PM
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07-06-2014 9:33 PM


Re: The state as of this date
First one didn't happen in TX. The second is from 2009. Hardly a cottage industry from the evidence presented so far.

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Message 2644 of 5179 (732370)
07-06-2014 11:31 PM
Reply to: Message 2643 by jar
07-06-2014 10:28 PM


Re: The state as of this date
Folk tales more likely

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Message 2665 of 5179 (732466)
07-07-2014 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 2660 by New Cat's Eye
07-07-2014 3:38 PM


You seem to think Chicago exists in a vacuum, untouched by the world around it.

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 2668 of 5179 (732482)
07-07-2014 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 2667 by marc9000
07-07-2014 7:31 PM


Re: The Gun Industry: Making the World a Safer Place
The Ft Hood Shooter was a Registered Democrat and Muslim. The Columbine Shooters were too young to vote, but both of their families were Registered Democrats and progressive liberals. The Virginia Tech shooter wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff and was a registered Democrat. The Colorado theater shooter was a registered Democrat, a staff worker on the Obama campaign, an occupy wall street participant, and a progressive liberal.
The problem when you spew shit is that it usually comes back and hits you in the face. You do know that these claims can be researched don't you?
http://www.examiner.com/...ly-registered-democrats-is-a-myth
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1. Nidal Hasan (the Ft. Hood shooter) lived in either Virginia (his state of residence prior to being sent to Ft. Hood) or Texas, neither of which has partisan registration. Therefore the claim that he was a "registered Democrat" is false. I do not know if he voted or how he voted, but I do know that unless he was registered in a state in which he did not reside, that the claim that he is a registered Democrat is FALSE.
Unless of course you have evidence to back your shit up.
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Since Virginia does not have partisan registration there is also no way to tell whether Seung-Hui Cho was a Democrat, but again because there is no partisan registration in the state we can say that the claim that he is a registered Democrat is FALSE. (Update: A more obvious point is that Cho was a resident alien, not a US citizen, so he was not eligible to vote in the US)
Unless of course you have evidence to back your shit up.
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The false allegation that James Holmes was a registered Democrat was based on a Breitbart blogger named Joel Pollack, who found voter registration records for a DIFFERENT James Holmes who was approximately the same age as the shooter James Holmes. Alex Jones’ Infowars and other right-wing websites then incredulously repeated the false information without verifying it. It was later determined that the Colorado Theater Shooter James Holmes was NOT registered to vote, as evidenced by this retraction: {Newly-released information on the suspect’s birthdate (which, as indicated in our initial report, was a slight mismatch), combined with new details Breitbart News has obtained about the suspect’s likely addresses, together suggest that the suspect may, in fact, not have been registered to vote.}. However, most conservative bloggers continued to promote the lie without printing the Breitbart site's retraction. The claim that James Holmes was a registered Democrat is FALSE.
Unless of course you have evidence to back your shit up.
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Klebold and Harris of course were not old enough to vote and they had no apparent political affiliation. Allegations that they came from families of Democrats or liberal progressives appear to have no sources to substantiate those claims. What little ideology the boys demonstrated owed mostly to an admiration for Timothy McVeigh not Ted Kennedy. Harris’ father was a retired Air Force pilot and Eric Harris wanted to join the Marine Corps. The boys lived in Littleton, Colorado a relatively conservative and affluent suburb of Denver. The claim that their parents were Democrats is UNSUBSTANTIATED. Any suggestion that the two boys were Democrats is demonstrably FALSE.
Unless of course you have evidence to back your shit up.
So I call complete BULLSHIT. Either your sources are liars or you are a liar. Either way it makes your argument worthless.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 2681 of 5179 (732548)
07-08-2014 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 2677 by New Cat's Eye
07-08-2014 10:38 AM


So you do think Chicago exists in a vacuum, untouched by the world around it?
Please there is no need be insulting. If you do not want address my posts, just ignore them. It really is that easy

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 2692 of 5179 (732578)
07-08-2014 5:15 PM
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07-08-2014 11:47 AM


Ok. Where do you think the guns used in Chicago, and other urban areas, come from?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 2695 of 5179 (732582)
07-08-2014 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 2694 by New Cat's Eye
07-08-2014 5:45 PM


So are you for or against more consistent national gun laws?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 2698 of 5179 (732585)
07-08-2014 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 2697 by marc9000
07-08-2014 6:51 PM


Re: The Gun Industry: Making the World a Safer Place
I don't want an apology. I want people to actually research what they post. Anyone can parrot crap. How about you show you are a little above the typical right winger and actually do some research? Just because something feels right in your gut does not mean it is and since you are a rightwinger it probably isn't. Facts tend to have liberal bias.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 2788 of 5179 (733496)
07-17-2014 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 2783 by Diomedes
07-17-2014 2:52 PM


Here is an issue. The pro-gun crowd makes is sound like this is an everyday scenario everywhere in the US. It isn't. The negs of having the handgun in the first place or far worse then any potential plusses if this once in a million scenario happens.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 2793 of 5179 (733508)
07-17-2014 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2790 by New Cat's Eye
07-17-2014 4:56 PM


I just don't get this tolerance for criminal action and intolerance victim action.
Another strawman. Come on you're better than that.

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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 2807 of 5179 (733559)
07-18-2014 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 2805 by petrophysics1
07-18-2014 5:09 AM


Re: It doesn't add up
Well according to the opinions presented here, in most part, I should live in the state with the highest homicide rate.
Why do the gun nuts always use strawman arguments?
The highest homicide rate in Canada is in Nunavut, 15/100,000. Is it the guns? No I think it's because the place is filled with Nunavut Indians and they think different than White Europeans.
Oh yeah of course the obligatory racism.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 2817 of 5179 (733578)
07-18-2014 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 2814 by New Cat's Eye
07-18-2014 12:36 PM


But that's the logical extension of some of the arguments.
No. That is a strawman.
Not at all a logical extension. It is in fact an illogical extension.
Edited by Theodoric, : Punctuation

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric
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Message 2819 of 5179 (733594)
07-18-2014 10:08 PM
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07-18-2014 1:38 PM


Do you have an argument or is this the best you got?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 2889 of 5179 (744873)
12-16-2014 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 2888 by Faith
12-16-2014 12:50 PM


Re: Yes Re: and another one...
So are the vast majority of Moslems. Billions.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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