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ringo
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Message 2880 of 5179 (744835)
12-16-2014 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 2879 by Faith
12-16-2014 9:24 AM


Re: and another one...
Faith writes:
"She done him wrong" so he killed her and others associated with her. If guns weren't available he would have found some other way.
We do occasionally see mass stabbings but they're comparatively rare because people tend to try to get away. It's easier to shoot somebody running away than to stab him.

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ringo
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Message 2885 of 5179 (744849)
12-16-2014 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 2882 by 1.61803
12-16-2014 11:18 AM


Re: and another one...
~1.6 writes:
Guns are here and here to stay.
Did I say otherwise? I was just pointing out that guns do cause more damage than other weapons. Guns do kill where other weapons may only injure. People who have no intention to kill do kill because the gun is so powerful.

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ringo
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Message 2887 of 5179 (744851)
12-16-2014 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 2883 by Faith
12-16-2014 11:18 AM


Re: Yes Re: and another one...
Faith writes:
Yes guns are more efficient. So we should take them away from the good guys and let the bad guys have them I guess, which is what would happen in that case.
We should take them away from idiots. Unfortunately, it's mostly the idiots who want them.

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ringo
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Message 2910 of 5179 (744959)
12-17-2014 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 2888 by Faith
12-16-2014 12:50 PM


Re: Yes Re: and another one...
Faith writes:
The vast majority of gun owners in America are responsible law-abiding citizens.
I don't think so. As I've said before, it is not rational to think you can defend yourself with a gun. A gun is not a defensive weapon. The only way to win a gunfight is to shoot first.
To be responsible gun owners, people would have to understand the capability of their guns - and I don't think most of them do.

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ringo
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Message 2930 of 5179 (745040)
12-18-2014 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 2912 by NosyNed
12-17-2014 2:11 PM


Re: Responsible and Law Abiding
NosyNed writes:
The problem is that many of those responsible, law abiding gun-owners accidentally kill and injure innocent people.
I would say it's irresponsible to have a gun in the house that's likely to do more harm than good. Even the US has laws about the civilian possession of explosives, etc.
As for "law-abiding" citizens, they also turn Jews in to the Gestapo.

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ringo
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Message 3020 of 5179 (745232)
12-20-2014 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 2984 by Faith
12-19-2014 3:16 PM


Re: self defence
Faith writes:
Canada does not have the demographic diversity of the US....
That's probably false.
Faith writes:
There are areas where there is a high incidence of gun ownership and very low to zero crimes or gun deaths.
That may be true. But it isn't true because guns make you safer. It's true because Canadians don't own guns for protection. As I've mentioned before, in my lifetime I've met only one civilian (other than collectors) who owned a handgun. (And he had it for sharks, not people.)

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ringo
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Message 3100 of 5179 (745381)
12-22-2014 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 3097 by Faith
12-22-2014 9:23 AM


Re: guns / crime
Faith writes:
... instead of getting a sensible approach to how gun safety might be improved....
Personally, I don't think gun safety in the US can be improved much. It's a bit like trying to prevent drowning in the mid-Atlantic: there's just too much water to ever make it "safe".
Faith writes:
If you really want to promote gun safety, screaming about guns after a gun tragedy is NOT the way to go about it.
There are two good ways to prevent more drownings after a drowning tragedy: learn water safety or stay out of the water.

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ringo
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Message 3149 of 5179 (745563)
12-24-2014 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 3132 by Faith
12-23-2014 12:34 PM


Re: guns / crime
Faith writes:
... the fact is that Hitler required guns to be registered and then when he knew who had guns, when the time came he went and confiscated them from those who had obeyed the law and that allowed him to herd them off to concentration camps without a fight.
The fact is that Hitler relaxed the gun laws. He did prohibit the Jews from owning weapons, which made it easier for the law-abiding Germans who had guns to march them off to the concentration camps.

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ringo
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Message 3223 of 5179 (746103)
01-02-2015 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 3218 by Percy
12-31-2014 3:32 PM


Re: More Breaking News
Percy writes:
Imagine if her 2-year old had killed some other random customer in the Wal-Mart.
I think Wal-Mart should arm its employees to protect its customers from its other customers.

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ringo
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Message 3228 of 5179 (746140)
01-03-2015 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 3224 by frako
01-02-2015 8:22 PM


Re: More Breaking News
frako writes:
Yea lets give the under payed over worked and over stressed uneducated bloke that is constantly harassed by customers a gun.
Chances are he's already got one.

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ringo
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Message 3245 of 5179 (746715)
01-09-2015 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 3241 by New Cat's Eye
01-09-2015 9:13 AM


Re: The state of "Arms", 1791
Cat's Eye writes:
Artillery is run by a crew not an individual.
That's why it's safer. You don't have one goober pointing it at his best friend and pulling the trigger.

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ringo
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Message 3249 of 5179 (746734)
01-09-2015 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 3248 by Faith
01-09-2015 12:15 PM


Re: The state of "Arms", 1791
faith writes:
They were head and shoulders above today's politicians intellectually and they had a grasp of historical realities that have been lost completely today, especially to the left.
It was The Good Old Days.

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ringo
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Message 3260 of 5179 (747094)
01-12-2015 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 3258 by New Cat's Eye
01-11-2015 3:16 PM


Re: The state of "Arms", 1791
Cat's Eye writes:
My opinion is that the metric for the limitation of civilian arms should be the police.
Dillinger needed Tommy guns because the police had them, so he stole them from the police.
What about body armour? It's not an "arm", technically, but it would be handy to protect me from the police.

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ringo
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Message 3262 of 5179 (747103)
01-12-2015 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 3261 by NoNukes
01-12-2015 11:53 AM


Re: The state of "Arms", 1791
NoNukes writes:
No US state prevents wearing of body armor by non-felons.
Just to be clear: Is it once-a-felon-always-a-felon? Or can you work your way up to ex-felon? If you serve your sentence for a felony, can you then wear body armour to protect you from other ex-felons?

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ringo
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Message 3265 of 5179 (747109)
01-12-2015 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 3263 by New Cat's Eye
01-12-2015 12:18 PM


Re: The state of "Arms", 1791
Cat's Eye writes:
Is it not commercially available?
Well, in Canada it would have about as much market as giraffe shoes.

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