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But the topic isn't about the misuse of tools. You can tell by the title of the topic. Well, at least most people can. So could you please not keep trying to derail the topic to grind your particular axe? It is an interesting topic and your posts really are not that interesting.

Still attempting to derail the topic I see.

How about you actually back up statements with actual examples or ideas?What gun regulations are ignored? How would these supposed regulations help with the current gun issues without requiring more legal control of guns?If you want to to actually discuss the topic you need to do that. If instead you want to continue to derail then continue as you are.ABE You say the same thing to a lot of people. Maybe the problem is not people's comprehension? Maybe it is your cryptic, nonsensical way of writing and posting? A little self awareness goes a long way.Edited by Theodoric, : More thoughts

More not answering questions posed to you. Do you really think you addressed my questions? Most of your proposals are new stricter regulations. And again you are attempting to hijack the thread with your continuing rants about non-analogous car driving.

Bullshit. That is 20th century revisionism of the actual history of the Constitution and the 2nd amendment.Modern armed forces would have no problem overcoming the token resistance a bunch of armed yahoos could give to them. This is all a right wing conservative wet dream.

In your own mind at least. You've got hubris. I can say that for you.

Yeah they want to oppress you just like those poor slave owners.You do know that the Constitution has a tried and true method to be amended. Just because your interpret the 2nd amendment differently than other people does not make your interpretation right.

You seem to have the Declaration of Independence confudsed with the US Constitution. The Constitution does not mention natural rights or anything about "God given". It identifies our legal rights. Also the Declaration of Independence has little if any binding legal affect. It is an important part of US history, but is not part of US law.Are you saying that the right for women to vote was only natural right after the Constitution was amended? The Constitution changed the natural order of things when slavery was abolished by the 13th amendment? If there was a natural right to bear arms, why would they have allowed an amendment process to change that?

Since you seem unwilling to actually discuss your positions it is worthless trying to engage you.You are sounding more and more like a creo. Still waiting for some explanation of all these gun laws you claim are ignored. But I am done here.

Really?
Can you show how natural rights are accounted for in U.S. law and jurisprudence?

Nice how you did not address any of the substance of his post.
So the right of women to vote is a natural right, but it was infringed prior the amending of the Constitution?
Is there a list of natural rights or is it just philosophical navel gazing? Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

Then move on and don't post to the thread. Would you like it if people came into your house and shit all over it?
Lack of self awareness around here is astounding.

And the mental health condition has enough holes to drive a truck through. It is as if people think there are people who have a mental health condition that we can tell would make violent. Most mentally ill people are not determined to be a threat until they act violently.

You may think this, but a lot of gun owners do not agree. To make this happen there would have to be stricter Federal legislation. Not true in some states. In Texas there are no restrictions on minors having guns. In most states, minors are only restricted on handgun possession. To make this happen there would have to be stricter Federal legislation. In the US there is no standard as to when guns can be used to shoot people. In FL feeling threatened seems to be the standard. In some states you can legally shoot people if they mistakenly enter your property or house. To make this happen there would have to be stricter Federal legislation. If you feel you cannot defend your claims by all means move along.Very few people and no reasonable people are calling for banning guns. That is a strawman. Stricter gun laws are what people are calling for. Current laws are not adequate.

Philosophical navel gazing. Who determined these natural rights? Do you not think that different people have different ideas on what constitutes a natural right? Your natural right means nothing if there is no legal right backing it.I love how you are more than willing to change your arguments to the opposite of what you argued in the past in order to not threaten your preconceived ideas and beliefs. Cognitive dissonance is an amazing thing.I love replying to you because I know you won't respond.