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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
You're playing semantic games while people die. Reduce the prevalence of guns and it will reduce needless gun deaths.
--Percy
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Your playing semantic games while people die. Reduce folks speeding or driving drunk and it will reduce needless vehicular deaths.
See how easy it is? But I am trying to address a big problem not just a small but vocal one.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Jar is pointing out that gun deaths are still relatively low compared to auto accident deaths.
I think one thing that is getting lost is that gun incidents are not uniformly distributed throughout the country. Gun control may indeed be a minor problem in rural areas/states, but it is a major problem in at least some urban areas. Moose
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined: |
It is somewhat silly IMO to compare deaths from car accidents to those from guns. Cars serve a useful purpose AND their primary function is not to kill or maim people whereas handguns...
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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jar writes: Your playing semantic games while people die. Reduce folks speeding or driving drunk and it will reduce needless vehicular deaths. See how easy it is? I see how easily you spout nonsense to avoid discussing the topic of this thread. I'm not playing semantic games in any way, and your attempted turnabout makes no sense since I'm perfectly willing to discuss reducing traffic fatalities. In a thread where that's the topic.
But I am trying to address a big problem not just a small but vocal one. Over 8000 annual deaths from firearm homicides is smaller than 25,000 annual traffic fatalities, but it is not small. It also represents a rate nearly ten times greater than other industrialized nations Since there are over a half million cancer deaths every year, by your silly argument we shouldn't be talking about anything with comparatively tiny numbers of deaths, which would include both firearm homicides and traffic fatalities. Can I suggest that if you don't feel the topic is worth discussing that you stop posting? --Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Cars serve a useful purpose AND their primary function is not to kill or maim people whereas handguns... And of course driving is a highly regulated activity. About the only thing this car vs gun argument works against is a complete ban of all guns Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Minnemooseus writes: Jar is pointing out that gun deaths are still relatively low compared to auto accident deaths. Sure, and that he's more concerned about traffic fatalities. Which is his prerogative. But that doesn't mean firearm deaths shouldn't be a concern or that we shouldn't discuss them, particularly since children are so often the victims. Jar asks (paraphrasing), "Why are gun deaths an issue compared to traffic deaths?" Everyone knows the answer to that question. Simple humanity requires concern about all needless deaths. And "Guns don't kill people, people kill people," *is* a semantic game. The important point is that the widespread prevalence of guns is responsible for the higher firearm homicide rate in this country.
I think one thing that is getting lost is that gun incidents are not uniformly distributed throughout the country. Gun control may indeed be a minor problem in rural areas/states, but it is a major problem in at least some urban areas. The problem can be broken down into greater geographic detail, but the basic issue applies everywhere: more guns mean more gun deaths. And it *is* pertinent to repeat a point often made in this thread, most recently by Saab93f, that motor vehicles serve essential economic and social purposes while guns do not. Ironically, guns purchased for self defense are far more likely to be used against oneself, friends or family than for actual self-defense. There is one similarity between gun safety and car safety: gun nuts and the gun industry are fighting safety improvements just as hard as the auto industry once did. --Percy
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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Percy repeats:
more guns mean more gun deaths... I think we need to rephrase this:
the more guns people get means more gun deaths as a result of them getting those guns . I would submit that the more guns someone gets, the more crazy they are revealing themselves to be, except for collectors. in other words - it's not the guns it''s the idiots that get them.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
sorry. hit keys while dozing
Edited by NoNukes, : remove garbage. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Percy writes: Can I suggest that if you don't feel the topic is worth discussing that you stop posting? But I do feel the topic is worth discussing, and am trying to point out that the solutions suggested are at best sophomoric and in many cases just stupid. The issue is not guns but misuse of tools; it is the same issue are vehicular deaths and that is ignorance and disregard of existing laws.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
But the topic isn't about the misuse of tools. You can tell by the title of the topic. Well, at least most people can. So could you please not keep trying to derail the topic to grind your particular axe? It is an interesting topic and your posts really are not that interesting.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
The problem can be broken down into greater geographic detail, but the basic issue applies everywhere: more guns mean more gun deaths. Just FYI, that is still vacuous.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You may find the topic interesting as do I. It is fascinating watching folk try to avoid dealing with the real issue.
If we banned vehicles it would reduce vehicular deaths.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Still attempting to derail the topic I see.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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saab93f Member (Idle past 1425 days) Posts: 265 From: Finland Joined: |
If we banned vehicles it would reduce vehicular deaths. Yes but that does nothing to the fact that vehicles serve a useful purpose, handguns do not.
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