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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yawn.
But again, what relevance does that have to anything? Why are gun deaths an issue when they are so small compared to other deaths like traffic deaths?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That you're not disputing that the widespread prevalence of guns is responsible for the higher rate of gun deaths is small comfort, but anyway, there were 8855 firearm related homicides in 2012 in the US. How many needless deaths is too small to be a concern? Well, not sure they were all needless deaths but that too is irrelevant. Not one gun killed anyone, it was people not the guns. And again, the issue with children is not the guns but education. Sorry Percy but I am far more concerned about bigger issues, ones we are NOT addressing.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Your playing semantic games while people die. Reduce folks speeding or driving drunk and it will reduce needless vehicular deaths.
See how easy it is? But I am trying to address a big problem not just a small but vocal one.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Percy writes: Can I suggest that if you don't feel the topic is worth discussing that you stop posting? But I do feel the topic is worth discussing, and am trying to point out that the solutions suggested are at best sophomoric and in many cases just stupid. The issue is not guns but misuse of tools; it is the same issue are vehicular deaths and that is ignorance and disregard of existing laws.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You may find the topic interesting as do I. It is fascinating watching folk try to avoid dealing with the real issue.
If we banned vehicles it would reduce vehicular deaths.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yes but that does nothing to the fact that vehicles serve a useful purpose, handguns do not. Don't you mean that handguns do not serve a useful purpose that YOU see?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
They obviously have a useful purpose when regulated and controlled properly. The issue seems to be that guns are not regulated and controlled in a sensible way in the USA. This is a view held by your president and the rest of the developed world. The fact that it isn't obvious to you and the NRA is impressive. It is also impressive that you seem totally incapable of reading what I post. I have said repeatedly that the issue is a matter of misuse, of a lack of education and a disrespect for regulations in the US. But regulations mean nothing when they are generally ignored and in the US, ignoring regulations is rampant.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I cannot help peoples inability to actually read what it written. That is NMP.
How about you actually back up statements with actual examples or ideas? What gun regulations are ignored? How would these supposed regulations help with the current gun issues without requiring more legal control of guns? I have outlined most of the problems but will gladly attempt yet again. In the US we currently have no way to track who should be prevented from buying a gun. We do not track mental disorders or physical limitations. We do not educate people on gun safety just as we do not educate people about safe driving (a much larger problem). We need to track such information. Hell, it would likely be a good idea if the US actually had a list of who is a citizen. I would support making concealed handguns illegal and requiring open carry. Let the public see that gun owners are just like everyone else and really a far smaller threat than the average driver. I would support mandatory gun training and annual certification (but only if we also required it to drive a vehicle; folks with guns don't scare me but all them drivers out there do). I would support recognizing that there are NO accidental discharge incidents, if a modern handgun goes off when it was not intended then it is negligence, not accident. I would support far stricter enforcement of existing gun laws (but also vehicular infractions). I have never said I opposed all legal restrictions on guns, just the really stupid ones I've seen suggested.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Do you really think you addressed my questions? Most of your proposals are new stricter regulations. And again you are attempting to hijack the thread with your continuing rants about non-analogous car driving. Of course I not only think but did answer your questions. I have said I do not oppose regulations, only stupid regulations.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Since you seem unwilling to actually discuss your positions it is worthless trying to engage you. You are sounding more and more like a creo. Still waiting for some explanation of all these gun laws you claim are ignored. But I am done here. I will try yet again. It is illegal to sell a handgun to someone who has a physical or mental condition that would make them ineligible for gun ownership, yet we find such folk buying guns. Since the US has no way to track or identify such people the laws get broken. Gun owners are supposed to keep their guns secured yet we find people getting guns from family members. No minor is supposed to ever have a gun unsupervised, yet we find children with loaded guns. In the US you are not allowed to just shoot folk except under specific circumstances yet we find guns being used co commit crimes. It would be nice if I could trust you were done here but I fear that too is just not true. I am always happy to discuss my position on a subject and even try to repeat explanations for those who have difficulty understanding.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Percy writes: Well, as we all know, "Cars don't kill people. People kill people." Absolutely and a great example of my point and why the idea of banning guns is so utterly stupid. If we want to do something to make the US safer we need to get the drivers that do 90 in a 55MPH zone off the road permanently.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
When every statistic, every bit of critical thinking, every datum supports the view that guns cause more harm, death, injury and loss than they prevent, what is it that causes such a visceral desire to have and keep guns, in the intelligent, responsible human beings you describe ? Guns are beautiful. Shooting is fun. Guns pose no threat to me.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Percy writes: You're dreaming. Even if you owned no guns they would still pose a threat to you, just like they did to the students in Umpqua. But you do own guns, and that places you in even greater danger than if you didn't. The odds of mishandling or misuse of one's guns are not zero unless you own no guns. But I am not the students at Umpqua and the threat to me from guns is so small as to be nearly ignored. But in the almost unimaginable chance guns did pose a threat to me I carry one myself. And yes, of course the threat of mishandling or misuse of my guns really is zero. Edited by jar, : remove extra "d"Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Percy writes: You're being obtuse. Weren't the students just going about the activities of their daily lives, just as you do? Don't their daily activities take them to places where there would be no expectation of a gun threat, just as you do? As I have said, the threat is so negligible that I simply don't worry about it, however I also do always try to maintain vigilance and consider what might be needed.
Percy writes: You're answering just like the other gun nuts here. You guys are not some kind of supermen whose eternal vigilance makes them always prepared to use their guns to defend themselves in all circumstance, and whose lightning quick decisions and reactions are unerring and never endanger innocent bystanders. Nor have I made any such claim as you would know if you read what I wrote. But I do practice for such scenarios and particularly as I have gotten older and less physically capable I have tried to increase my awareness. But again, any threat to me from guns is simply so far down the list if things to worry about that it simply doesn't concern me.
Percy writes: Another gun nut answer. The threat is not zero. Again, you are not some kind of perfect superman who could never forget to lock up the gun (leaving open the question of how safely locked up guns could aid in your defense), never leave the safety off, never forget there's a bullet in the chamber, never accidentally aim it at someone, never accidentally discharge it, never suffer any psychiatric condition, etc. You're a normal human being just like everyone else. Stop fooling yourself. Of course I can always remember to lock a gun up if I am not carrying it. Fortunately most of my guns don't have safeties. And of course I check to see if a bullet is in the chamber; any gun without a bullet in the chamber is not something I would carry except during certain competitions. And of course I never aim a gun accidentally at anyone. I do not believe an accidental discharge is even possible with any modern weapon and that anyone making such a claim is simply at best ignorant, more likely lying. There can be negligent discharges though. And the one thing in your laundry list is the possibility of a psychiatric condition. That though is again not of any greater threat related to guns than anything else. Edited by Admin, : Fix quote dBCode.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Percy writes: I did read what you wrote - I quoted you above, and I'll quote you again here. You carry because you believe guns make you safer, that "Guns pose no threat to me." You believe "the threat of mishandling or misuse of my guns really is zero." If you don't want it pointed out how laughably ludicrous and naive those statements are then don't make them. Actually I don't mind at all when you make absolutely laughable ludicrous and naive statements. If you do not want me to point those out, then don't make them. There really is no threat of misusing or mishandling my guns. I actually understand just how dangerous they are and so do not misuse or mishandle my guns. For over a half century no one has been harmed by my guns.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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