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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Yeah, right. Charles Whitman murdered 16 people from the clock tower on the campus of the University of Texas in Austin in 1966. Poking around a bit on the Internet it's easy to go further back in time. Neinz Schmidt killed 5 at a school in 1913. Mass shootings have increased along with the increase in gun prevalence. And with population growth and growth in social stress factors, like income inequality growth, loss of economic security and good paying jobs, trashing of unions and increased disrespect for working people and unions. We need to look at other factors that differentiate us from other countries that don't have this problem, especially ones that do allow guns and what their restrictions are. Drugs is not so much a cause but a symptom, not just of demoralizing economic\job prospects, but of corporate pharmaceutic greed marketing more drugs as solutions (it would be better if everyone were drug users) and then more drugs to treat the side effects. Impaired driving from prescription pain killers is rising to the level of alcohol abuse. Most gun deaths are suicides and domestic disputes, so if we can reduce those occurrences it will reduce gun deaths. This is a social problem, and cannot be fixed by "market forces" so a capitalistic centric system cannot but fail to deal with the underlying problem as it will just push more "solutions" to symptoms (for profit) rather than treat the real issues. Better medical attention to stress and the resulting health issues would help, and certainly providing universal single payer health, including mental and dental, would reduce stress on families with minimal funds. [/rant] Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9207 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Amazing how the ammoland article gives no references to support the assertions.
So you want to ban everyone with mental health issues from owning guns? The ammosexuals won't allow basic background checks, how are they going to go along with this. This is all just a red herring.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.5
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Faith writes: Here's a list off the top of my head:
A couple more to add to your list:
What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
*COUGH* Flood *COUGH*
"Thin the herd" isn't something that would ever be in God's will.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
It isn't always easy to love you either but we (some of us) do - and we don't even have a god telling us to.
You do make it hard to love you, but I'm not giving up.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You ARE my enemies. I couldn't pray for my enemies if you weren't my enemies could I? This reminds me of a funny situation in my state. North Carolina State University insists that they have a basketball rivalry with the University of North Carolina. However that perceived animosity turns out to be a relationship that UNC does not deign to notice or acknowledge. UNC's rivalry is with Duke. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So you want to ban everyone with mental health issues from owning guns? The ammosexuals won't allow basic background checks, how are they going to go along with this. This is all just a red herring. It's the DRUGS that are the cause of the violence, not the mental illness. And I don't know how to use this information since I got talked out of one idea I had. But I would think it would be of interest to know, whether we have a solution or not, if these drugs are associated with all these killings. But I also keep mentioning the demoralization of the country as a cause and I think it is. Abortion devalues life and some people take that personally: my mom could have aborted me, she'd never have known after all. Divorce usually takes fathers away from the family which can create a lot of insecurity for children, especially boys; also forces mothers to work so two parents are often away. Same effect with the single-parent situation often caused by irresponsible sex. No, not ALL such situations have negative consequences, but surely enough do to contribute to the mental health issues in the nation. The general devaluation of marriage is a recipe for chaos and insecurity in itself. And excuse me but homosexual marriage is basically a mockery which any prepubescent child can figure out even if they conform to the politically correct talking points, which has to create a schizoid mentality to some extent.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... North Carolina State University insists that they have a basketball rivalry with the University of North Carolina. However that perceived animosity turns out to be a relationship that UNC does not deign to notice or acknowledge. UNC's rivalry is with Duke. It's a 3-way ... Enjoy (Duke alum)by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
It's the DRUGS that are the cause of the violence, ... ... and firing guns releases an adrenaline rush that can be addictive ...
But I also keep mentioning the demoralization of the country as a cause and I think it is. ... Indeed, when half of US workers are paid minimum wage or less it is demoralizing in a grand scale. When you have to work two jobs to make ends meet you don't have time to feel good. That's why the majority of gun deaths are suicides and domestic violence. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Tangle Member Posts: 9516 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes: It's the DRUGS that are the cause of the violence, Are Americans more mentally ill than the Swiss or Canadians?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It isn't always easy to love you either but we (some of us) do - and we don't even have a god telling us to. Should be even easier once I get used to this love thing. You should be glad Jesus is telling me to love you all because it isn't in me to love people who have such radically (obnoxiously) different opinions from mine, and one thing I've discovered here is what a temper I have. Tired of having it get the better of me, but I think Jesus finally got hold of me this time. I'll never love your opinions but if Jesus loves you through me it should make us all a bit happier.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Probably in a different way.
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Blue Jay Member (Idle past 2728 days) Posts: 2843 From: You couldn't pronounce it with your mouthparts Joined:
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Hi, Larni.
Larni writes: The sad fact is that Americans do not seem to be able to be trusted not to go on killing sprees. I realize you're just making a rhetorical point, but I think the way you've phrased it is a bit unfair. The vast majority of Americans can be trusted to not go on killing sprees.In fact, the vast majority of American gun-lovers can be trusted to not go on killing sprees. I recently learned that this was called an ecological fallacy: assigning group statistics to individuals from the group.-Blue Jay, Ph.D.* *Yeah, it's real Darwin loves you.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.5
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Tangle writes: Are Americans more mentally ill than the Swiss or Canadians? Don't underestimate our crazy. From a WHO report in 2011, cited in The Atlantic:
quote: It would be more practical to register the Normals."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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