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We have data on people having guns in their homes being more likely to die from homicide than those who don't http://m.aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full added, of course, to accidental deaths.Call me a mad fool, but the data would strongly indicate that similar results will occur if you start making churches (of all fucking places) an appropriate environment in which to encourage guns.

Nor anything on those homes with green front doors with red polka dots.

Please don't conflate the UK with the US, with regard to guns.I haven't been able to find any statistics for police guns going missing (I suspect it's pretty much zero - armed UK police officers form a tiny percentage of the overall personnel, and they are incredibly highly regulated), but this article indicates that a grand total of 56 guns went missing in 4 years from the UK armed forces: Gone AWOL: How deadly firearms are lost or stolen from the Ministry of Defence every MONTH under Coalition | Daily Mail Online(I know, it's the Daily Mail, but the figures themselves are official government figures).I realise that it helps those in favour of gun ownership to paint a frightening, dystopian vision of a country bereft of widespread gun ownership - but the UK is one of many modern countries which, very inconveniently, manage to be perfectly decent, free democracies, which don't allow widespread gun ownership. We've got loads of rights and stuff - we'd even be really happy about life if we didn't have such bloody awful weather all the time 😊So do avoid conflating the UK with the US when it comes to guns. I'll just call you on it and remind you that a happy, modern, law abiding democracy doesn't need guns.

Ironically, the first pub I bought a pint in was called "The Gun Barrels" (named for Birmingham's historical gun manufacturing). :-)

Presumably they've closed submissions for this year's Darwin Award early.

Equally lucky that various suggestions have not come to fruition, that untrained, nervous teachers aren't armed and ready to shoot dead any school child they think might be a threat.

The BBC is reporting he's been suspended for three days too. A sincere apology might be more appropriate.I do get that the police need to do their job - but it's at least polite, if having done their job, they find out that the person is innocent, to apologise to him. Same goes for the school. Suspending him for bringing a clock to school is just daft.Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.

Wouldn't have worked - sniffer dogs are colour blind :-)

I take it, from the article referring to the shooter as a "witness", that the police have not even arrested him ?If so, I think I've worked out how to commit the perfect murder in Texas.

If only real life were like Hollywood, eh ? :-)Every good, law abiding, gun toting citizen would always shoot first and always shoot true - the sun would glint off their steely eyes as they regarded the dying bad guys with cool detachment - and with any luck, they'd utter some damning epithet within earshot of an attractive member of the opposite sex (since all such good guys are of course hetero).Must be a real bummer when you realise that, along with pretty much every other member of the human race, you're always at home to Mr Cockup.

More details to come, but here it goes again :-/Oregon college shooting: Gunman kills nine in Roseburg attack - BBC News

I'm not sure about the percentage of mass shooters who were on psychotropic drugs, but let's assume that's correct.The thing is, we have a significant number of people over here on psychotropic drugs as well, but far, far fewer school and other mass shootings.This suggests to me that whilst drugs clearly are a factor in the causal chain of some mass shootings, you don't need to try to eradicate drug taking from society, in order to prevent the vast majority of such tragedies. There's a much more effective link in the causal chain to examine.But sure, if you can eradicate from society all drug use and all forms of psychosis which can lead to violence, then that would probably do the trick too.

Too right.I'm reading (on my work computer, so I can't link it yet) that according to FBI statistics, from 2011, about one quarter of firearm related deaths were homicides. The rest were suicides and accidental deaths.I invite anyone reading this thread to apply some basic math and basic logic, and work out whether arming all students and teachers would result in more firearm related deaths or fewer. You don't need degree level math for this.

We could start with an ad campaign, indicating that there is an inverse correlation between the calibre of your colt, and the millimetres of your member ?

Of course, another way of expressing that would be to say "Let's change our minds about something some guys decided over 200 years ago."I mean, it's not like it's something out of the bible, right ?