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Coffeeblack
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Message 5116 of 5179 (823178)
11-06-2017 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 5114 by Taq
11-06-2017 6:07 PM


Re: Texas This Time
Can you imagine if he had middle eastern heritage and spent time in jail? Conservatives would sink their teeth into it. The whole family would be plastered on Fox News for a week.

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Heathen
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Message 5117 of 5179 (823182)
11-07-2017 2:39 AM
Reply to: Message 5113 by Percy
11-06-2017 6:00 PM


Re: Texas This Time
quote:
Following the revelation that the Texas church shooter was a white man, the US government has confirmed that now is not the time for new laws, politics, or a gun control debate.
If the man had been a foreign-born Muslim, then it would have been the time to abandon political correctness and call for immediate action, probably by being insulting to anyone of Muslim faith — but he isn’t, so we won’t.
Texas shooter a white man, so now is not the time for new laws or debate, confirms Trump
Edited by Heathen, : No reason given.

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Coragyps
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Message 5118 of 5179 (823234)
11-07-2017 8:11 PM


I read somewhere this morning that what we need is to make bump stocks legal for thoughts and prayers. That'll fix the problem.

"The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails." H L Mencken

Dogmafood
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Message 5119 of 5179 (823235)
11-07-2017 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 5113 by Percy
11-06-2017 6:00 PM


Re: Texas This Time
26 killed at Baptist church in Texas
Hardly worth a mention.
Not including suicide, accidents or the police there were approx 172 people shot today in the US...and yesterday and the day before. That is about 6500 since the Vegas massacre with about 1200 fatalities.
Carry on.

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Percy
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Message 5120 of 5179 (823288)
11-08-2017 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 5119 by Dogmafood
11-07-2017 9:22 PM


Re: Texas This Time
ProtoTypical writes:
26 killed at Baptist church in Texas
Hardly worth a mention.
Representative Ted Lieu, a California Democrat, had his own "this has happened again" response: ‘I can’t do this again’: Why a congressman walked out of moment of silence for Texas victims
--Percy

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Dogmafood
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Message 5121 of 5179 (823303)
11-08-2017 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 5120 by Percy
11-08-2017 4:15 PM


Re: Texas This Time
Yes we have had enough moments of silence. We need some moments of outrage.
edit Respect for the dead for sure but how about some respect for the living.
Edited by ProtoTypical, : No reason given.

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Stile
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Message 5122 of 5179 (823335)
11-09-2017 11:58 AM
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11-08-2017 10:19 PM


Re: Texas This Time
ProtoTypical writes:
Respect for the dead for sure but how about some respect for the living.
I wouldn't call it respect for the dead if there is a refusal to attempt learning and preventing the tragedy that caused the deaths.

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Phat
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Message 5123 of 5179 (823341)
11-09-2017 12:24 PM
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11-08-2017 10:19 PM


Re: Texas This Time
We need some moments of outrage.
So what or whom do we get mad at?
I wouldn't call it respect for the dead if there is a refusal to attempt learning and preventing the tragedy that caused the deaths.
Everyone is reading about it. Thoughts and prayers abound. But legislation is as usual up in the air. We need consensus.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

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"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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NoNukes
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Message 5124 of 5179 (823361)
11-09-2017 12:59 PM
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11-09-2017 12:24 PM


Re: Texas This Time
But legislation is as usual up in the air.
No, it isn't up in the air. One party controls the legislative agenda, and their leadership has no intention of introducing anything.
We need consensus.
We have that already. Must gun owners are in favor of common sense control measures that would be an improvement over what we have. But that consensus will never be acted on.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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Phat
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Message 5125 of 5179 (823363)
11-09-2017 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 5124 by NoNukes
11-09-2017 12:59 PM


Re: Texas This Time
One party controls the legislative agenda, and their leadership has no intention of introducing anything.
Well, if nothing is done after a mass shooting in conservative Texas at a church and involving innocent children as victims, nothing will ever get done.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith

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frako
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Message 5126 of 5179 (823380)
11-09-2017 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 5125 by Phat
11-09-2017 1:16 PM


Re: Texas This Time
Well its perfectly clear what went wrong. Firstly the peole in the curch where not praying hard enough we need more prayer. And secondly they should have been armed the more guns there are in the world the safer we are.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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1.61803
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Message 5127 of 5179 (823394)
11-09-2017 4:50 PM
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11-09-2017 12:24 PM


Re: Texas This Time
I feel that if we as a society can not abide and enforce the laws and regulations we already have on the books; we are in for more and more loonies doing shit like this That mouth breather should not of been allowed to purchase a gun.
Edited by 1.61803, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 5128 of 5179 (823436)
11-10-2017 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 5124 by NoNukes
11-09-2017 12:59 PM


Re: Texas This Time
NoNukes writes:
Must gun owners are in favor of common sense control measures....
Sounds like an oxymoron to me. The most obvious common-sense measure is don't have guns.

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NoNukes
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Message 5129 of 5179 (823471)
11-10-2017 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 5128 by ringo
11-10-2017 11:09 AM


Re: Texas This Time
Sounds like an oxymoron to me. The most obvious common-sense measure is don't have guns.
That's fine. Then consider "common sense measures" to be US "code words" for doing background checks on all gun sales, not giving guns to folks who have mental illnesses that dispose them towards violence or who have already committed acts of domestic abuse.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I was thinking as long as I have my hands up they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey
We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

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Dogmafood
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Message 5130 of 5179 (823495)
11-10-2017 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 5125 by Phat
11-09-2017 1:16 PM


Re: Texas This Time
...nothing will ever get done.
I don't think that is true. There must be a limit to what people can tolerate and when you have had enough then speak your mind and be heard. Voices accumulate.

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