Summations Only

Why do you want to infringe on the rights of the ammo-sexuals to have an adrenaline rush orgasm every time they hear a loud bang?Guns are just their vibrator toys you know.Sheesh these rights infringing people really get on my nerves ... maybe ...

And with population growth and growth in social stress factors, like income inequality growth, loss of economic security and good paying jobs, trashing of unions and increased disrespect for working people and unions.We need to look at other factors that differentiate us from other countries that don't have this problem, especially ones that do allow guns and what their restrictions are.Drugs is not so much a cause but a symptom, not just of demoralizing economic\job prospects, but of corporate pharmaceutic greed marketing more drugs as solutions (it would be better if everyone were drug users) and then more drugs to treat the side effects.Impaired driving from prescription pain killers is rising to the level of alcohol abuse.Most gun deaths are suicides and domestic disputes, so if we can reduce those occurrences it will reduce gun deaths. This is a social problem, and cannot be fixed by "market forces" so a capitalistic centric system cannot but fail to deal with the underlying problem as it will just push more "solutions" to symptoms (for profit) rather than treat the real issues.Better medical attention to stress and the resulting health issues would help, and certainly providing universal single payer health, including mental and dental, would reduce stress on families with minimal funds.[/rant]Enjoy

It's a 3-way ...Enjoy(Duke alum)

... and firing guns releases an adrenaline rush that can be addictive ... Indeed, when half of US workers are paid minimum wage or less it is demoralizing in a grand scale. When you have to work two jobs to make ends meet you don't have time to feel good.That's why the majority of gun deaths are suicides and domestic violence.Enjoy

Possibly. We are certainly under more stress due to high income inequality and low social comforts. They test out happier than Americans too.And guns are appealing as images of "leveling" tools (pun intended).Here's some food for thought:

quote:

---

Guns killed more Americans in 12 years than AIDS, war, and illegal drug overdoses combined

​

Thursday night, during an impassioned address about the shooting at Umpqua Community College, President Obama laid out a challenge to the media. "Have news organizations tally up the number of Americans who've been killed through terrorist attacks in the last decade and the number of Americans who've been killed by gun violence, and post those side by side on your news reports," he asked.

​

We've looked at those numbers a bit, but you can take this comparison even further: if you include all gun deaths (including homicides, suicides, and accidents), guns killed more Americans between 2001 and 2013 than terrorism, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, AIDS, and illegal drug overdoses combined:

​

---

Details in articleIt would be interesting to break gun deaths down into Suicide, Domestic abuse and Other.Enjoy

Hate radios finest hour.

These are of course the stupid people that pull up behind you and sit for 5 minutes before they consider passing ... even when the highway is completely empty.And pulling over for someone with road rage may not be a good idea either.I usually put on my 4-way blinkers, and they generally back off.Enjoy

daily show gun control jessica - Bing videoright on schedule?Enjoy

And in fact put in the Constitution that the militias were to be organized as needed by the states and used to suppress insurrections rather than instigate them, and that they would be under the command of the state and then ultimately the president. John Brown?There have in fact been many instances of insurrections (see Howard Zinn), but none of them have been with a state militia attacking the federal government.EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : clrty

(1) make background checks universal to reduce availability to the insane, people with a criminal record or on the terrorist list.(2) require brief course of instruction by seller on the proper use, storage and handling of the gun. If private sale there needs to be a witness.(3) require insurance with photo ID card to be carried that covers misuse, mishap, accidental discharge, liability, etc etc etc.(4) charge anyone who lends or secretly sells a gun with aiding and abetting a crime if the gun is used in one.This should not be a problem for legitimate, rational people.Enjoy

And turn out your headlights ... Texas Motorist Shoots 6-Year-Old Child After Family Makes Wrong TurnReally.

Welcome to Oregon and the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge occupation by the brave souls calling themselves "Citizens for Constitutional Freedom" and composed mostly of fundamentalist LDS open-carry nut cases left over from the Cliven Bundy cow grazing rights issue.Emboldened by lack of prosecution, they have taken over an unmanned (closed for winter) Federal building for a wildlife refuge, with Ammon and Ryan Bundy, the sons of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, among those "in charge" ... and once again promising that gunfire will be met with gunfire.Sadly they are not alone in the "angry white male" militia gun paranoia groups.Amid Armed Oregon Standoff, Report Finds Skyrocketing Number of Anti-Gov’t Militia Groups | Democracy Now!

quote:

---

... The Oregon occupation also stems from a fight over public lands in the West and comes as a new report by the Southern Poverty Law Center found the number of militias in the United States jumped 37 percent over the past year. We speak with Richard Cohen, president of the Southern Poverty Law Center.

​

RICHARD COHEN: Well, you know, Amy, the number of militia groups, the number of extremist antigovernment groups, has really skyrocketed since Barack Obama took office in 2009. There was a bit of waning between 2011 and 2013, but in the last couple of years we’ve seen a big increase, particularly in the number of militia groupsas you said, from about 200 to about 275. And this, I think it can be traced directly to what happened at the Cliven Bundy ranch, that you mentioned, in April of 2014. You know, the government was there to collect grazing fees, or really to confiscate Bundy’s cattle. Hundreds of armed militiamen came to his aid and pointed guns at federalpeople from the Bureau of Land Management. And it really, you know, was an armed standoff. And very wisely, the federal government backed down. And immediately, not just Cliven Bundy declared victory, but the entire militia groupmilitia movement, rather, declared victory. One militiaman, who was very well known, said, "Courage is contagious." And it really energized the militia movement, and that’s what was responsible for the big increase that you referred to, a 37 percent increase.

---

Yep, it takes real courage to take over an unoccupied wildlife sanctuary. With guns.There are also links not just to a fundamentalist sect of the LDS, but links to the John Birch Society and (gasp) the Koch brothers.SO: (1) is this what the second amendment was intended for, to have well armed militias take over when they feel they have been slighted by the Federal government?OR: (2) is this what the second amendment -- and other sections of the constitution -- was intended to prevent?Take a minute and a deep breath before replying please, and then answer (1) or (2) and why.and let's see how objective we can be about this eh?Enjoyps the sections of the Constitution that mention militias are: Article I - The Legislative Branch
Section 8 - Powers of Congress"To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

​

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;" Article II - The Executive Branch
Section 2 - Civilian Power over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment." Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791."A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Not surprisingly to those who know me, I go with option (2), that this is the kind of armed insurrection that the fledgling Federal government envisaged militias organized and trained the way the National Guard is trained and organized, in order to put down insurrections that threatened the sovereignty of the US.For evidence I refer to the John Brown insurrection and the subsequent action of the Federal government.Note that the real purpose is not to occupy the park, but to cause an armed confrontation that can act as a recruiting tool for other groups and cause an uprising in the west.In this way they are acting the same as middle-east terrorists, the Taliban, and ISIS.Enjoy

So the words"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, ..."are imaginary? Two for two ...Enjoy

Current example in Oregon with the Bundy mob (I think we can all agree to call it a mob), seizing public land and then claiming it should be turned over to ... the people ...Disagreeing is one thing but threatening the lives of law officials is another. Or the interpretation of it by the Supreme Court returning to previous interpretations. Indeed it can happen, but it may take a loooong time and a lot more incidents involving the loss of innocent lives. And what we have in Oregon is a borderline armed insurrection. Whether they are actually dangerous enough to engage with is another question. John Brown attacked rather than occupied.Personally I don't think they are a real danger to anyone but themselves at this point, except that they are setting another precedent for similar actions.The small numbers also indicate low support and low need for engagement -- a single #blacklivesmatter protest draws many more people than they have managed to scrounge up.But another problem here is the death-wish of these extremists, the desire to be martyrs to a (silly) cause. They want confrontation so they can be heroes to followers who will then rise up. This is no different from radical terrorist organizations elsewhere in the world.Time for some alternative action, perhaps arresting Cliven Bundy ...Enjoy