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Topic: Gun Control Again
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Gun Control in Missouri
Hyroglyphx writes: ... in the absence of guns suicidal people will still commit suicide.
If I had a gun in the house, I'd probably be dead right now.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 4771 of 5179 (778672)
02-23-2016 11:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 4751 by Faith
02-12-2016 3:51 PM
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Re: It Goes on and on
Faith writes: So the question is whether you think Jesus advocated facing real threats completely unarmed, including facing threats against your family?
Years ago I had an internet discussion with an American about guns. He had visited Vancouver and he said he was glad he was carrying a gun. I pointed out to him that millions of Canadians walk those same streets every day completely unarmed.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 4775 of 5179 (778689)
02-23-2016 12:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 4774 by 14174dm
02-23-2016 12:15 PM
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Re: Is Bullet Caliber Part of the Problem
1417dm writes: When he got to the pump action he told the scouts that the easiest way to talk a suspect into surrendering during a standoff is to work the action within their hearing.
The easy way tends to work well in movies and TV shows - which is where most Americans get their ideas about guns.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: It Goes on and on
Hyroglyphx writes: There are places where having a gun is more of a liability than it is a defense, and others where it offers more of a defense than it does a liability.
You're almost always safer without a gun than with one. A gun is not a defensive weapon.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 4832 of 5179 (780446)
03-15-2016 12:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 4831 by NoNukes
03-14-2016 9:53 AM
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Re: Responsible Rat-Poison Owner Accidentally Rat-Poisons Six People In Isolated Incident
NoNukes writes: As much as I want to get rid of guns, I am not for having the government ignore the constitution in their zeal to make this a better place....
That's the kind of Constitution-worship that makes non-Americans a bit queasy.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 4834 of 5179 (780467)
03-15-2016 1:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 4833 by NoNukes
03-15-2016 1:16 PM
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Re: Responsible Rat-Poison Owner Accidentally Rat-Poisons Six People In Isolated Incident
NoNukes writes: But surely a government as powerful as the US government that disregards the law with respect to even its own citizens ought to make you feel even more upset.
No. A government that blindly follows a stupid law makes me more upset.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 4841 of 5179 (780575)
03-17-2016 11:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 4836 by AZPaul3
03-15-2016 4:53 PM
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Re: Responsible Rat-Poison Owner Accidentally Rat-Poisons Six People In Isolated Incident
AZPaul3 writes: Fault the society that has the tools but refuses to use them.
That's what I'm doing. The Second Amendment clearly does not apply to people who are not members of "a well-regulated militia", yet your government stupidly follows the misinterpretation of the law.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Responsible Rat-Poison Owner Accidentally Rat-Poisons Six People In Isolated Incident
Hyroglyphx writes: But for more temperate people, it's simply the highest law of the land that restrains a government from wielding unlimited power.
It isn't the constitution that restrains the government from wielding unlimited power. Constitutions are suspended every day.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 4844 of 5179 (780579)
03-17-2016 12:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 4843 by NoNukes
03-17-2016 12:06 PM
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Re: Responsible Rat-Poison Owner Accidentally Rat-Poisons Six People In Isolated Incident
NoNukes writes: Let's look at some examples of constitutions that have been suspended so far this year...
(I hope you recognize that "every day" or "this year" in this context is a figure of speech - and I'll be glad to explain to you what a figure of speech is, if necessary.) Wikipedia knows everything. Here's a list of political leaders who suspended the constitution.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 4846 of 5179 (780587)
03-17-2016 12:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 4845 by NoNukes
03-17-2016 12:21 PM
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Re: Responsible Rat-Poison Owner Accidentally Rat-Poisons Six People In Isolated Incident
NoNukes writes: It turns out that suspensions of constitutions are not very common, and that examples of such suspensions being a good idea are even rarer. Most of them are done by dictators and have little to recommend them as examples. What's your point?
My point is what I said:
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It isn't the constitution that restrains the government from wielding unlimited power. Message 4842
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 4849 of 5179 (780591)
03-17-2016 1:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 4848 by NoNukes
03-17-2016 1:20 PM
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Re: Responsible Rat-Poison Owner Accidentally Rat-Poisons Six People In Isolated Incident
NoNukes writes: Figure of speech or not, ringo's statement was an exaggeration of just how common it is to suspend the constitution.
If I said, "Constitutions CAN BE SUSPENDED," would that pass muster?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 4854 of 5179 (780646)
03-18-2016 11:42 AM
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Reply to: Message 4850 by NoNukes
03-17-2016 1:27 PM
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Re: Responsible Rat-Poison Owner Accidentally Rat-Poisons Six People In Isolated Incident
NoNukes writes: Isn't the real question whether or not we should suspend the constitution?
No. The real question is whether or not there is any way to reverse a stupid Supreme Court ruling. I suspect not. I suspect that calling for gun control today is like calling, "Man the pumps!" on the Titanic today.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Responsible Rat-Poison Owner Accidentally Rat-Poisons Six People In Isolated Incident
Hyroglyphx writes: ringo writes: It isn't the constitution that restrains the government from wielding unlimited power.
What does that even mean?
I'm glad you asked. It means that it isn't the constitution that restrains the government from wielding unlimited power. Your next question is, "Then what does?" It depends. For example, why did Hitler get away with seizing unlimited power in Germany? Because hardly anybody objected; they wanted him to have power. It isn't the constitution that restrains the government; it's the will of the people.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 4856 of 5179 (780648)
03-18-2016 11:58 AM
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Reply to: Message 4852 by AZPaul3
03-17-2016 2:13 PM
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Re: Responsible Rat-Poison Owner Accidentally Rat-Poisons Six People In Isolated Incident
AZPual3 writes: The court, split 5-4, came down on one side. The Rule of Law requires this government to act in accordance with that interpretation. Not optional.
But clearly there are options. For a right that "shall not be infringed", there's a lot of infringement going on. Every restriction on gun-keeping and gun-bearing is an infringement. It isn't a question of whether or not you can "suspend the Constitution". It's a question of how high.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 4859 of 5179 (780656)
03-18-2016 12:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 4858 by NoNukes
03-18-2016 12:51 PM
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Re: Responsible Rat-Poison Owner Accidentally Rat-Poisons Six People In Isolated Incident
NoNukes writes: I'm not sure what you are getting at with your analogy.
I didn't think you would.
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