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Hi again Tempe 12ft Chicken An extra step that is open to police interdiction and your conviction ... if it is illegal to have ammunition. Another extra step necessary, and one that leaves you open to some serious health issues (Lead poisoning - Wikipedia) Another extra step that is open to police interdiction and your conviction ... if it is illegal to have ammunition.If police put up road blocks between you and a store, and kept adding road blocks on streets you use then it becomes much more difficult and time consuming to get to that store, and your need to go there would have to be high for you to continue to get there. Curiously, not in my experience here. I've looked -- as I look for mushrooms on day hikes -- so this is not universally true. I also look for arrowheads with little luck. Plus IF a lot of people -- gun owners -- were collecting shell casings, their availability in this regard would drop off rapidly.Again the issue arises on how many times a casing can be used before it fails.The idea is not to eliminate, but to make difficult, the possession of large quantities of ammunition that could be used in a rampage.Enjoy.

Hi crashfrog So logically, anything outside what is necessary to form a well regulated, trained, organized militia is open to regulation.This could include the availability of ammo and certain kinds of guns, while the arms for militia use beyond that can be kept by militia storage compounds.Enjoy

Hi Catholic Scientist, Actually it does. To be constitutional they are regulated by the states.Enjoy.

Hi RahvinHere's some more information:10 Terrifying Facts About Guns In The U.S. - Upworthy

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With gun control suddenly at the forefront of the American political conversation, interest groups on both sides of the debate have started to make their own claims about the state of guns and gun violence in America. So, what do the numbers really look like? Check below the graphic for our sources.

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Kenneth D. Kochanek, Jiaquan Xu, Sherry L. Murphy, Arialdi M. Minino, and Hsiang-Ching Kung. "Deaths: Final Data for 2009." National Vital Statistics Reports. Dec. 19, 2011.

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Christpher S. Koper. "Crime Gun Risk Factors: Buyer, Seller, Firearm, and Transaction Characteristics Associated with Gun Trafficking and Criminal Gun Use." Jerry Lee Center of Criminology, University of Pennsylvania. 2007.

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"Point, Click, Fire: An Investigation Of Illegal Online Gun Sales." City of New York. December 2011.

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Caroline Wolf Harlow. "Firearm Use by Offenders." U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics. November 2001.

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Sam Stein. "Gun Owners Surveyed By Frank Luntz Express Broad Support For Gun Control Policies." The Huffington Post. Jul. 24, 2012.

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U.S. Code, Title 18, Section 924(c)

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U.S. Code, Title 18, Section 2316

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Ezra Klein. "Twelve Facts About Guns and Mass Shootings in the United States." The Washington Post. Dec. 14, 2012.

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Erin G. Richardson and David Hemenway. "Homicide, Suicide, and Unintentional Firearm Fatality: Comparing the United States With Other High Income Countries, 2003." The Journal of Trauma, Injury, Infection and Critical Care. January 2011.

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Seems to me that there is plenty of room for more control.Here's a place to sign up to petition the federal government to take action:The White House

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we petition the obama administration to:
Immediately address the issue of gun control through the introduction of legislation in Congress.

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The goal of this petition is to force the Obama Administration to produce legislation that limits access to guns. While a national dialogue is critical, laws are the only means in which we can reduce the number of people murdered in gun related deaths.

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Powerful lobbying groups allow the ownership of guns to reach beyond the Constitution's intended purpose of the right to bear arms. Therefore, Congress must act on what is stated law, and face the reality that access to firearms reaches beyond what the Second Amendment intends to achieve.

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The signatures on this petition represent a collective demand for a bipartisan discussion resulting in a set of laws that regulates how a citizen obtains a gun.

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Created: Dec 14, 2012

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I've signed.EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : second link

Hi Dr Adequate,Just a small question here

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Country Guns per 100 residents (2007) Rank (2007) Comments
United States 88.8

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Would not a better statistic be number of gun owners per 100 residents?Someone owning 80 guns could not use them all at once (they would likely be inclined to use one, but moreso than a person owning a single gun?)This doesn't alter the fact that the US is the highest for gun related deaths.enjoy

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Hi Catholic Scientist Of course one of the reasons for this failure is the statistics used: Number of homicides is per 100?Number of gun owners not used (number of people with access to guns?)Number of guns (/100 people iirc) = 88.8 does not mean that 88.8% of the population own guns or have access to one (and would be comparable to those potentially involve in gun homicide).Say the average gun owner has 3 guns in the US, that makes the number of gun owners/100 to be something like 29.6%. Similar adjustments for all other countries would change all the data, and would be more indicative in whether or not there is a correlation.Enjoy.Edited by RAZD, : .Edited by RAZD, : ..

Hi Tangle And when one of those armed guards goes on a rampage ...Enjoy

Hi Dr Adequate,and

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The study by The Times also found that homicide rates had risen and fallen along roughly symmetrical paths in the states with and without the death penalty, suggesting to many experts that the threat of the death penalty rarely deters criminals.

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... the prosecuting attorney, Peter Carlisle, said he had changed his views about capital punishment, becoming an opponent, after looking at the crime statistics and finding a correlation between declines in general crimes and in the homicide rates. ''When the smaller crimes go down -- the quality of life crimes -- then the murder rate goes down,'' Mr. Carlisle said.

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You also see in Kofh2u's graph that there is essentially no change in homicides - they peak and fall in the same range with death penalty and without penalty.Enjoy

Hi ramoss, Lol. And how many robberies were for the purpose of obtaining guns?Add into the equation that NY has several "gun gateway" states nearby that can be driven to within a day (or take a bus), while you have to drive much further from texas to NOT be able to buy a gun.Enjoy.

Hi Faith, Ever heard of suicide by police? The intent is to die by the shots of others.Sadly.

Hi Faith, ... sites that would draw many heavily armed police\swat while they toy with others lives ... lives that mean nothing to them.Sadly.

Raw Story - Celebrating 18 Years of Independent Journalism - 404 Not Found

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Three New Jersey police were shot Friday morning and a gunman was killed after the suspect, who was already under arrest, somehow managed to get his hands on a gun, according to published reports.

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The shootings happened inside the Gloucester Township police station early Friday morning. Police have not named the suspect, but a spokesperson that the individual was taken in earlier on charges relating to domestic violence, according to video taken by CBS Philadelphia from a hastily organized press conference.

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The suspect in this case was shot and killed by police, a spokesperson told reporters. In our police department, obviously there is a very intense investigation regarding this incident in Gloucester Township headquarters.

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So he didn't bring a gun but stole one there, and he wasn't deterred by a room full of armed policemen ...Enjoy.

Hi Coyote Or we can reduce "dead victims" by reducing the overall numbers of criminals, and we can do this by having a more just social system that allows people to live more fulfilling lives without needing crime to augment their existence. Fewer criminals would mean fewer dead criminals and fewer dead victims.Enjoy.Edited by RAZD, : clrty

Hi Percy, Personally I think the thread is over -- nothing new has been seen and everyone is remaking arguments presented previously.Perhaps the question needs to be rephrased to look at it a different way.Enjoy