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WOOT!

But that's not car insurance; that's the fear of car insurance.Quite a different thing. Of course; the fear of guns will do just that: get you knee-jerk, freedom-quenching legislation passed in the blink of an eye.

Folks are right to be leery.

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"‘Smart’ Firearm Draws Wrath of the Gun Lobby" from The New York Times:

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Second Amendment defenders argue that once guns with high-tech safety features go on sale, government mandates will follow. They cite a decade-old New Jersey law requiring that within three years of the recognition technology’s becoming available in the United States, all guns sold in the state would have to be smart.

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"‘Smart’ Firearm Draws Wrath of the Gun Lobby" from The New York Times:

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The National Rifle Association, in an article published on the blog of its political arm, wrote that smart guns, a term it mocks as a misnomer, have the potential to mesh with the anti-gunner’s agenda, opening the door to a ban on all guns that do not possess the government-required technology.

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Call them 'gun nutters' if you'd like, but the concerns are genuine and valid. Don't let the (entirely inappropriate) comments of the few cloud your perception of the majority of gun-rights individuals.There is good reason to be wary of guns that can be armed and disarmed via a radio-controlled computer chip.Jon

Really?These brutes are seconds away from beating you to death and doing God-knows-what to your wife and kids, and you'd be reassuring yourself with math?I find that impossible to believe.

You missed the point.I was calling Percy out on his silliness.I don't own any guns and have no desire to. But I will admit that, if I were ever in a situation like the hypothetical one Percy described, I'd be real desperate to get my hands on one. All the reasons I decided against getting a gun in the first place wouldn't matter and would be of no comfort while intruders beat me to death in my own bed.

The number of governments that have been abusive to their people is far greater than the number of governments that have been benevolent.As a simple matter of statistics it is nave to presume any government an exception to this trend.

The main difference is tense; but I have fixed that for you now, so you can see how my comment actually applies to the real world instead of to your silly fantasy world where it's somehow impossible for governments to ever become bad.

$37.50/hr?Liberal or conservative, I think anyone could get behind that!

Isn't it collective responsibility that tries putting fault on 'other people'?Prosecuting the negligent mother puts fault directly where the fault belongs.

And you're inventing a bogeyman; which is even sadder. Do we arrest the brewmaster for your drunk driving? Only in your fantasy. What a nave load of crap.You might as well apologize to all the children who get beaten to preserve your right to wear a belt around your pants; or to all the people who will die in car accidents to preserve your right to drive; to everyone clinging to life or worse from a bad case of alcohol poisoning to preserve your right to throw one back at the end of the day; and on and on it goes...Your logic is just ridiculous.But that's your problem.Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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Perhaps you can provide some reference to these numbers?

Your arguments are so silly they don't even deserve the attention required to address them. Not to mention that we've had so many of these threads and we've gone over these same things you're bringing up so many times already.I believe it was ringo who compared guns to foreskins: you don't miss them if you've never had them.Likewise, just because you've lost yours doesn't mean everyone needs circumcising.You cannot even comprehend living in a society where people value gun ownership; and this limited perspective is evident in your simplified caricaturization of the issue.

Read the three or four other threads on this exact same topic if you want to see my argument.This is stuff we've been over again and again and again and again. For reference: Anti-Debate: Interpreting the 2nd Amendment
Guns
for the record (re: guns thread)
How can we regulate guns ... ?
The Second Amendment
Gun Control & 2nd AmendmentFor vimesey's enjoyment

You mean when you post utter nonsense?Of course.See the list of previous threads I presented in Message 3440 if you want to see where the costs have already been debated. Then, if you have something new to add, we can address those additional points.But if you expect anyone to put time into addressing your emotionally-charged knee jerking, you're delusional.