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kofh2u
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Message 763 of 5179 (685546)
12-23-2012 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 761 by Dr Adequate
12-23-2012 3:17 PM


Re: NRA head is right...
I've walked down the street with no policeman present. Haven't you?
... lol...
Even Jesse Jackson said that when he walks in DC at night and hears foot steps behind him, he is relied to discover it is a white man.
Are you trying to tell me that YOU, whether black or white, are fearless walking in any major intercity in America today???
I believe you believe your own nonsense here, but its liberal Politically Correct "thinking" which is even beginning to defy Common Sense.
The Ceo of the NRA is dead right, that schools and colleges are easy pickings for an armed intruder who as a long wait before a SWAT team will appear with Bull Horns.
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kofh2u
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Message 766 of 5179 (685549)
12-23-2012 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 765 by Dr Adequate
12-23-2012 4:48 PM


Re: yes, Herr doctor...
Actually, you'd have to murder a whole lot of people to wipe out all the single-parent families. Were you thinking of targeting the parents or the children?
Definitely.
Bennett said it wasn't ethical, reasonable, of practical to abort every illegitimate baby, or double what Planned Parenthood has accomplished to date.
But that would do the job of "targeting the woulkd be Single Mother parents of the 1.5 million illegitimate children we add to Welfare Rolls annually?
Of course I recommend we start promting early marriages and no divorce except for adultery in order to produce an outlet for the sexual activity between ages 12-26, which is the baby making years.
Perhaps we could pay money to husbands who are the natural fathers of the children living with him and his wife.
And I would recommend raising the Minimum Wage so one working parent could support a family, too.
Whether one agrees with me on this is irrelevent to the recommendation that we change the sexually promissive and promiscuous culture as adults who now see what we are making the young people suffer through and the abuse their fatherless children experience today.
I would recommend that Religion be supported in spite of what educated people might think about Genesis, because God has always been the third eye young people thought could see into parked cars and homes of latch key teenagers.

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kofh2u
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Message 777 of 5179 (685660)
12-24-2012 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 768 by crashfrog
12-23-2012 6:04 PM


Dr Adequate:
Except, dear kofh2u, that the figures show the murder rate is declining and is now as low as it's been in a hundred years.
crashfrog:
But we better control guns anyway, just in case?
Apparently you see the hypocricy of what Herr Doctor is saying, in that murder rates have declined while guns have multiplied in our society tremendously in quantity and fire power.
This also needs consideration for the observation that murders blossomed and doubled after 1960 when America began paying Single Mothers to have fatherless bastards:

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kofh2u
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Message 780 of 5179 (685665)
12-24-2012 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 778 by crashfrog
12-24-2012 5:55 PM


...one idiot to another....
Sigh... I hate to even engage with you on this, because it's fairly clear you're an idiot, but I guess I'd like to see how deep the idiocy goes.
Every Western nation "pays single mothers" to "have fatherless bastards," why would that uniquely be the cause of a high murder rate in only the US?
1) The first thing we idiots here need agree upon is whether indeed, the killers are statistically men who have been raised by Single Mothers, here in America.
Before we discuss taking the guns away from people, that seems rational, to discover just who the killers actually are, here.
Or, do you find that idiotic???
2) The facts seem to indicate that 70% of all violent crimes in general are by men, mostly, who had been raised in fatherless families,... by mothers living under the poverty levels in most cases, but not always as this tragedy of 20 school children is an example.
Half the murders in USA are by Black men, representing only 12% of the population.
The other half of the murders are by Whites, representing 80% of the population.
3) We might then note that 70% of the Black Community is on Welfare, explaining mathematically how 12% of the population kills as many people as the whole 80% which is not Black.
4) Then we might want to examine facts like ghettos, where large numbers of Single Mothers are housed together forcing all the playmates/schoolmates of their children to associate with other fatherless kids and gang members.
Remember that three idiots honestly reasoning together is better than one idiot flabbergasted at the social problem and floundering around with a lot of silly questions that are unimportant in regard to whats what in America.

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kofh2u
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Message 794 of 5179 (685696)
12-25-2012 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 784 by Eli
12-24-2012 9:48 PM


Re: ...one idiot to another....
70% of blacks are not on welfare.
And there are more whites on welfare than blacks, so your assessment should end in a conclusion that murders are predominantly done by the hands of whites.
Do you have a number or % of your own?
Check it out.
70% is a conservative estimates.
When we examine that Urban murders take place in all the major cities that are almost 100% Black, now, and almost 90% Single Mother families, cramming together of the Welfare recipients with their fatherless kids, the high rate of murder in America becomes clear.
Blacks represent 12% of the population but @30% of the Single mothers.
Do that math.
The liberal mentality on this thread illustrates the real problem as people here appeal to the"feelings" others might have and the sentiments that would not like to call a spade a spade.
The effort to avoid Facts and Statistics, and do the math ends with nonsense programs like wlefare to sibgle others only if they are single, while knuckle slapping their criminal kids when they meet teachers and the policeman.
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kofh2u
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Message 796 of 5179 (685698)
12-25-2012 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 791 by Faith
12-25-2012 8:40 AM


Re: suicide by police
Clearly that was not the case with these killers who chose gun-free zones for their murder spree. Or at least they wanted to kill as many as possible first.
Of course you are right.
A shooter does not walk into a police station to kill people because he is deterred by the presence of other guns there.
The liberal solution to blame the gun, not these wild people raised as fatherless kids is what is responsible for almost all gun murders.
They refuse to accept the failure of their Welfare Program which is $1 Trillion dollars annually now.
That "progressive idea" has created every social evil possible.
The scotch tape they propose to get around these murders is to take legal guns away from honest responsible citizens.
They ignore who the murderer is.
They ignore that these killers are even too young to buy a legal gun.
The 5 incidents since Columbine hav been rural and suburban mass killers nut cases or a consequence of school bullying re-paid.
The 100 murders in these 5 cases pale in comparison with the inter-city killings every year that are about half of all murders in America.
What a white wash job to focus on the gun and the nut jobs as if that is America's real problem.
The feminist liberal progressive refusal to be logical and perfer the emotional appeals and responses is the really responsible year after year.

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kofh2u
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Message 797 of 5179 (685699)
12-25-2012 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 795 by Larni
12-25-2012 12:58 PM


Re: ...one idiot to another....
You are such a racist.
Even if that were true, it has nothing to do with the facts in this matter.
You liberal progressives alway fall back on attacking the messenger when you lose the case on rational grounds.
Is Bill Cosby a racists?
Of course not.
So when Cosby said the same thing as I have, you guys called him a womanizer and adulterer who pinches the women who work for him.
But that is just a LAME attempt to divert the Truth and maintain your own nonsense no matter how many peole get killed every year.
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That was what they did to Bill Cosby, silence him by digging into his past for dirt,... because he said this speech to an all Black audience:
Ladies and gentlemen, I really have to ask you to seriously consider what you've heard, and now this is the end of the evening so to speak.
I heard a prize fight manager say to his fellow who was losing badly, "David, listen to me.
It's not what's he's doing to you.
It's what you're not doing."
Ladies and gentlemen, these (white) people set -- they opened the doors, they gave us the right, and today, ladies and gentlemen, in our cities and public schools we have 50% drop out.
In our own neighborhood, we have men in prison.
No longer is a person embarrassed because they're pregnant without a husband.
No longer is a boy considered an embarrassment if he tries to run away from being the father of the unmarried child.
Ladies and gentlemen, the lower economic and lower middle economic people are not holding their end in this deal.
In the neighborhood that most of us grew up in, parenting is not going on.
In the old days, you couldn't hooky school because every drawn shade was an eye.
And before your mother got off the bus and to the house, she knew exactly where you had gone, who had gone into the house, and where you got on whatever you had one and where you got it from.
Parents don't know that today.
I'm talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.
Where were you when he was two?
Where were you when he was twelve?
Where were you when he was eighteen, and how come you don't know he had a pistol?
And where is his father, and why don't you know where he is? And why doesn't the father show up to talk to this boy?
... on and on... want more of what he says??????
I heard a prize fight manager say to his fellow who was losing badly, "David, listen to me.
It's not what's he's doing to you.
It's what you're not doing."
Ladies and gentlemen, these (white) people set -- they opened the doors, they gave us the right, and today, ladies and gentlemen, in our cities and public schools we have 50% drop out.
In our own neighborhood, we have men in prison.
No longer is a person embarrassed because they're pregnant without a husband.
No longer is a boy considered an embarrassment if he tries to run away from being the father of the unmarried child.
Ladies and gentlemen, the lower economic and lower middle economic people are not holding their end in this deal.
In the neighborhood that most of us grew up in, parenting is not going on.
In the old days, you couldn't hooky school because every drawn shade was an eye.
And before your mother got off the bus and to the house, she knew exactly where you had gone, who had gone into the house, and where you got on whatever you had one and where you got it from.
Parents don't know that today.
I'm talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.
Where were you when he was two?
Where were you when he was twelve?
Where were you when he was eighteen, and how come you don't know he had a pistol?
And where is his father, and why don't you know where he is? And why doesn't the father show up to talk to this boy?
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kofh2u
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Message 802 of 5179 (685738)
12-26-2012 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 799 by Panda
12-25-2012 10:24 PM


Re: ...one idiot to another....
But what is the true value?
I realise that you prefer to make shit up, but perhaps you could make an exception this time?

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kofh2u
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Message 804 of 5179 (685740)
12-26-2012 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 803 by Percy
12-26-2012 11:58 AM


Re: ...one idiot to another....
We might then note that 70% of the Black Community is on Welfare...
I am not certain that it makes it any less true that "We might then note that 70% of the Black Families are on Welfare"...
But the point I make is that inner city Blacks kill half of all peoploe murdered in the USA when the whole Black community represents only @10% of the population.
Furthermore, 70% of all killers have been raised in fatherless broken families, and 67% of the Black inner city families at least, if not most all, are dependent children of mothers on Welfare.

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kofh2u
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Message 806 of 5179 (685750)
12-26-2012 2:13 PM
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12-26-2012 1:39 PM


Re: ...one idiot to another....
...and 67% of the Black inner city families at least, if not most all, are dependent children of mothers on Welfare.
So now your claim is that 70% of inner city blacks are on AFDC. Any support for this claim?
... families...
Black FAMILIES...
Black FAMILIES, where these fatherless kids under age 22 are raised,... those kids who shoot people with illegal guns....

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kofh2u
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Message 808 of 5179 (685754)
12-26-2012 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 807 by Tangle
12-26-2012 2:23 PM


Re: ...one idiot to another....
You'd have a (slightly) easier time of it here if you at least published the source of the dross you post.
What is it I have not sourced???
My experience with Liberal progressive people educated in the humanities is that their mind is made up and their ego will defend that position in the face of facts and sources because they believe that nothing is so, so clear that their fogging of the issues can not confuse other readers.
They will attack the messenger.
They will attack the sources.
They will facts with feeling they will generate concerning individual cases.
They will attack the motivations of the other side.
They will attack with accusations of racism, misogyny, and evil.
They will also refuse to admit they were wrong, and gang together in a "democratic" ridicule full of anger and hatred for the person if the truth seems to be on his side.
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kofh2u
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Message 937 of 5179 (686070)
12-28-2012 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 920 by crashfrog
12-28-2012 3:38 PM


Re: Another article
We covered this. They don't work. The UK didn't get rid of their guns; they preserved an already-low rate of gun ownership. These were all points that you declined to address, so I thought we were done. Now, 400 posts later you want to pretend like the discussion never happened. Like Percy says, you just can't get through to some people.
The conversation stays on the gun as if it kills people, instead of comparing the 13% of Single Mothers in Britain who had illegitimate babies, and 60% of whom nevertheless work, with the sad situation in America where 35-40% of the Single Mothers do not work, and are collected together in cities with other like-Single Mlthers raising fatherless jkids who go to school and hang out with each other.
There is ALSO the diversity issue in the American Cuklture that separates British Single Mothers who are distributed throughoiut the counrty from what is massive Black Drug culture in America.
This politically Correct attitude of ignoring the truth because it singles out a particular group is what Bill Cosby fights against.
If the problem is to be solved, the Truth must come to light si we can work on the solutiuon.
In other countries, at least half the Single Mothers were married then divorced.
This is quite different from the "way of life" created in America.

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kofh2u
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Message 942 of 5179 (686084)
12-28-2012 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 941 by Dr Adequate
12-28-2012 6:16 PM


Re: Another article
KOFH2u
The conversation stays on the gun as if it kills people, instead of comparing the 13% of Single Mothers in Britain who had illegitimate babies,...
... and 60% of whom, (i.e.; 7.8%), nevertheless work,...
... compare this with the sad situation in America where 35-40% of (all WOMEN with families)...
... are Single Mothers do not work, and are collected together in cities with other like-Single Mothers raising fatherless kids who go to school and hang out with each other.
Doc:
...could you use your math skills ...
...Language Skills...
The math is not the problem.
My Language skills need be sharpened.
I made the point a little more clear as you can see.
The comparison between Single Mothers in Britain and in America reveals that only half of those Single Mothers (25%) had illegitimate babies because they were never married.
And, half at least again of those do not depend upon the Government for assistance.
Then we compare the murder rates and see the correlation between America's Single Mother population and that of Britain.
The evidence supports a focus on these children, not the fewer guns in England.
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kofh2u
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Message 949 of 5179 (686100)
12-28-2012 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 941 by Dr Adequate
12-28-2012 6:16 PM


Re: Another article
So in Britain, 60% of single mothers do work, whereas in America 40% of them don't?
...no, doc...
In Britain, 25% of the families are heaed by Single mothers.
But these are mostly single women who have been divorced, 60% of them.
Then, only half of the 25%, those single mothers, are on government subsidies.
By CNN's Jack Cafferty
More than 100 million people in the United States of America get welfare from the federal government. 100 million out of 325 million.
According to the Weekly Standard, Senate Republicans say that the federal government administers nearly "80 different overlapping federal means-tested welfare programs."
This figure of 100 million people does not include those who only receive Social Security or Medicare
The most popular welfare programs are food stamps and Medicaid, with the number of recipients in both these programs skyrocketing in the last decade. Food stamp recipients alone jumped from 17 million in 2000 to 45 million in 2011.
And these 100 million people on welfare include citizens and non-citizens.
Where is the U.S. headed if more than 100 million people get welfare? – Cafferty File - CNN.com Blogs
Contrasted to America, today, half the babies born are illegitimate, in spite we abort an equal number before birth.
These illegitimate babies are supported by Welfare.

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kofh2u
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Message 964 of 5179 (686146)
12-29-2012 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 961 by RAZD
12-29-2012 11:32 AM


Re: Statistical Blindness
Or we can reduce "dead victims" by reducing the overall numbers of criminals, and we can do this by having a more just social system that allows people to live more fulfilling lives without needing crime to augment their existence. Fewer criminals would mean fewer dead criminals and fewer dead victims.
This is the right idea, but it would soon be interpreted to mean that poor people kill others with guns, rather than the truth.
The truth is that illegitimate babies create Single Mothers who therefore live in both financial poverty because of that, but so do the fatherless children they all raise in the same inner city neighborhoods.
Marriage is the best solution for both poverty and a high crime rate.
But the Church has been undermined and the LEFT has insisted that sexual promiscuity hurts no one.
What America needs is more of Bill Cosby.
White America needs to support Cosby as he talks bluntly in the present Politically Incorrect environment of criticizing women, Feminism, sexual promiscuity, the Gay efforts for more liberalism in sexual excesses, and the self defensive Black leadership which silences Cosby and any white politician who would raise this as an issue to be dealt with.
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.In this CDA Report, the Fragile Families data are used to calculate how much marriage could reduce poverty among couples who are not married at the time of the child's birth. This analysis finds that marriage would dramatically reduce poverty among the non-married mothers who are romantically involved with the fathers at the time of the child's birth.
Specifically, if these mothers do not marry but remain single, about 55 percent will be poor. By contrast, if all the mothers married the child's father, the poverty rate would fall to less than 17 percent. Thus, on average, marriage would reduce the odds that a mother and a child will live in poverty by more than 70 percent.
Increasing Marriage Would Dramatically Reduce Child Poverty | The Heritage Foundation
Fatherless kids turn out to be 70% of all social problems including violent crime.

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